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Originally posted by Akka View PostWhy, and how?
Ingo Molnar wrote something on the subject some time ago.
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Originally posted by 89c51 View PostBecause its a mess and frustrating for the user as it is. Teho and Delgrade described where the problems are and those have to be fixed.
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Originally posted by Teho View PostThe thing is that I don't see it as a problem. The benefits of having sinle core distribution or even package manager doesn't ammount to its downsides. I'm thrilled with the fact that there's a lot of unification going on between distributions at the moment; systemd for one unifies most of the important system configuration files. If distributions would simply stick to upstream software without patching I think that the situation would be good enough. If there's someday going to be one package manager to rule them all (maybe it could be Lennart's next project or something) I guess it would be cool but it wouldn't really change anything. It's not possible to have binary compatibility between distribution in a way that it would make sense. One way to solve the problem is using bundless but that has nothing to do with RPM/DEB and they would still be needed for the "core" system.
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Originally posted by 89c51 View PostI don't know the technicalities but i see this kind of diversity a bit problematic. And the whole installation thing becomes messier when you want to install something commercial.
Besides this whole concept of One True Distro (tm) is idiotic, the fact that we have diversity means that we can actually try out new ideas such as unification under /usr, different init systems, different desktop environments, etc as opposed to being stuck in a single environment unable to change. The simple fact is that this diversity is part of what draws people to Linux, that you can do whatever you want as opposed to being locked down into any one idea. Because of this if we did end up unifying everything into the One True Distro (tm), you'd have perhaps more development on this one distro compared to before, however it would be a massive net loss in development overall.
You have to remember, when people develop for the FOSS ecosystem it's either because of 1 of 2 things.
Either 1. The developer is independently itching their own scratch, and then as a bonus is gaining prestige within the FOSS community by releasing their patch, or 2. The developer is working for someone else and is scratching that person's itch, usually because they are being paid, and are seeking out that reward. We require both of these groups to be at prime development but going for the One True Distro (tm) alienates the first group
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Originally posted by 89c51 View PostOK we should find a way then to make distros something like a uniform platform which everyone can built upon.
Actually a whole OS.
Actually multiple ones. At least win and osx. Why don't people use those if that's a requirement for their needs/software/develpment process/personal happiness?
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Originally posted by Luke_Wolf View PostWith Something commercial? You mean what like games? Oh wait there's Desura that covers all the gaming that actually supports linux for the time being for that, and it checks for missing libraries and will download a local copy if you're missing them. If you must use proprietary drivers you should be using the versions from your repos if you're at that level, and there's pretty much nothing else that should really matter to the consumer that should be independently downloaded outside of the repos other than maybe flash depending upon the distro..
Originally posted by Luke_Wolf View PostBesides this whole concept of One True Distro (tm) is idiotic, the fact that we have diversity means that we can actually try out new ideas such as unification under /usr, different init systems, different desktop environments, etc as opposed to being stuck in a single environment unable to change. The simple fact is that this diversity is part of what draws people to Linux, that you can do whatever you want as opposed to being locked down into any one idea. Because of this if we did end up unifying everything into the One True Distro (tm), you'd have perhaps more development on this one distro compared to before, however it would be a massive net loss in development overall.
Originally posted by Luke_Wolf View PostYou have to remember, when people develop for the FOSS ecosystem it's either because of 1 of 2 things.
Either 1. The developer is independently itching their own scratch, and then as a bonus is gaining prestige within the FOSS community by releasing their patch, or 2. The developer is working for someone else and is scratching that person's itch, usually because they are being paid, and are seeking out that reward. We require both of these groups to be at prime development but going for the One True Distro (tm) alienates the first group
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Originally posted by 89c51 View PostNo not only games. Matlab for example which is quite popular or CAD programs or whatever. You cant get those through repos or just download something and install in any distro you want. It might work but in many cases there are issues.
Originally posted by 89c51 View PostI don't want a single distro. I want something like a common core if possible. Something that guaranties interoperability. A set of libraries or tools or whatever in which the people above that layer can do whatever they want.
Originally posted by 89c51 View PostAnd not developing with ease of use in mind alienates the person that matters more. The user.
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