The KDE vs. GNOME Schism In Free Software

[AnonymousCoward]

Please do not make fun of V!NCENT. This little boy is a true genius that has knowledge about everything. You can ask him about professional audio production, movie production, kernel development, the future of the table market, legal advice, or anything else, and V!NCENT will Google it for you and provide you with an expert opinion/advice.

[ninez]

I was never comming with 'my fist out'; I was jokingly reffering to taking BlackStar's side of the discussion in a Gnome and KDE thread. Nothing more, nothing less. You seems to take everything on yourself. How is that not understandable?

Oh poor little viggy. that may have been part of it, but to claim 'no more, no less' is BS. you know it, and i know it.

As far as the rest of the discussion, I believe if neither of us stops then we'll be yes-no-ing for eternity so I'm ready to put this to rest,

There isn't yes-no-ing into eternity - you have simply been wrong, and don't know what you are talking about (like the vast majority of your other Phoronix forum posts). You want to make grand claims, about shit you know little to almost nothing about - go ahead. but don't expect that people who know better, aren't going to confront you on you idiocy.

but then you have to stop the childless namecalling in the last post, because in all seriousness; it pathetic and no-one is remotely convinced of anything by namecalling. (except in trials before a jury, where you can ask if the suspect didn't have kiddy porn on his pc, even though it's totally unrelated and not true, but that only works for people with an IQ below 100)

What's a matter vig, are you going to cry or something? lol. ....honestly, you aren't convinced of anything, even when the FACTS are sitting right in front of you, staring you in the face! name-calling or NOT....

...and who said anything about trying to convince you of anything??? - I don't have to convince you, you were simply incorrect on so many levels, it is plain as day, that you have no clue - and i pointed that out. I provided links to various info to support my position. What did you do???

you put a picture of an XLR cable up, and made grand (false) claims about various things, and then ignored the facts.

As for name-calling vs. IQ. Viggy - do you honestly think i give a shit about your perspective on the matter??? (hint: i don't). is there are link between IQ and being rude (unlikely), so really - just do the world a favor and shut the fuck up, already,

bye bye

[ninez]

<vincent mode on>

hey look its a printer cable!!

http://www.rbline.pl/prod_images/11.99.8909.jpg

<vincent mode off>

BAHAHAHAHAHA!! LOL. hilarious

[liam]

I'm not sure if those jitter estimations are intirely correct. I remember a year or so, when there was a lot of talk on the Jack-devel-list discussing this very subject ~ can't really remember the details, though. but the concept seems sound. enough. try googling this;

* midi-jitter jack-devel *

it should turn up a number of discussions on the matter. You'll just have to navigate through the psotings/threads but you should find some useful info there.

i'm actually doing some work, right now liam. But how is this? - i will get back to you on this, tomorrow. I think my laptop, probably still has some decent bookmarks in firefox, both some audio/midi related stuff and RT stuff too... The laptop in question is at work, otherwise i'd take a quick look for you.

cheerz

Hey ninez. I would've responded sooner but I've been sick the last week.
I just did that search and didn't find much, other than some questions people had. However, one of threads did mention changing the CONFIG_HZ to 1000 from 250 (both on a RT kernel) and having less noticeable jitter. That doesn't really answer the question of whether the deltas, for a given platform, are absolute or not.
Something that needs to be said, also, is that to really find these deltas you need to use really long runs (I've a pdf where linux RT is examined between kernel versions and they used runs that went for days at a time).

Best/Liam

[ninez]

Hey ninez. I would've responded sooner but I've been sick the last week.
I just did that search and didn't find much, other than some questions people had. However, one of threads did mention changing the CONFIG_HZ to 1000 from 250 (both on a RT kernel) and having less noticeable jitter. That doesn't really answer the question of whether the deltas, for a given platform, are absolute or not.

I would join the linux-rt-user list, and ask the questions you wish to have answered. I kinda forgot, that i had re-installed on that laptop, so no-go on thoe links (unless, i have that partition backed up somewhere). ...and yeah CONFIG_HZ has to be set to 1000 for RT. anyways, liam that is where i would look, people on the RT will have the anwsers to your questions, and also are more likely to be able to point you to the most relevant white papers, and info around the internet.

Something that needs to be said, also, is that to really find these deltas you need to use really long runs (I've a pdf where linux RT is examined between kernel versions and they used runs that went for days at a time).

Not surprising. Myself, i usually don't use RT, until it is fairly stable. But whenever, a new patch/version comes out, it is not uncommon to see on the RT-user list, people who have been running tests for long periods of time. more common than that though, is people running cyclitest, to find out the best and worst case scenarios of latency.

cheerz

[NomadDemon]

any news abour maudio products on linux? like profire2626?

or theres another brand that makes good firewire interface?

only cons for maudio and focusrite firewire is theres no "insert" slots

[ninez]

any news abour maudio products on linux? like profire2626?

or theres another brand that makes good firewire interface?

only cons for maudio and focusrite firewire is theres no "insert" slots

I am using an M-Audio 1010LT, but it is PCI, not firewire. I can't really help you too much on a good choice of firewire, as i specifically, didn't want to buy an external device. It doesn't appear that M-aduio has any working Firewire cards under linux;

http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-MAudio

anyways, the best place to look for supported hardware, is to look at the ALSA:Matrix (just navigate through, the ALSA page, you should be able to find a page, that listes them by vender - similar to how the link above shows all M-Audio products. if not, then just google ALSA:Matrix + the manufacturer / soundcard, that should work too.

The Matrix, also usually provides documentation on how to compile the driver (though mostly you shouldn't need to do that) and also it usually provides a working .asoundrc , as well as sometimes providing info for Jackd.

[NomadDemon]

i have delta 1010LT now, but.. i need more than 8 tracks, drums is more then 8 microphones.

albo.. firewire is good if someone in my studio, wants they own laptop or stuff, so i can switch fast.

problem is, delta 1010 have only 2 input ballanced[dmx cable LOL] , no preamps and its not "rack" construction.
ECH products are fully supported, but they suck a bit, no "DMX" inputs, no inserts, only stuff with inserts is presonus i found, but albo not suported, USB cards suck, so only firewire are good, delta 1010 i will move to other comp, cause of midi stuff and 8 channels, to "practice room" to record practices of bands etc. but in studio i want realy good stuff.. did you try "lightbridge" stuff ?

[liam]

I would join the linux-rt-user list, and ask the questions you wish to have answered. I kinda forgot, that i had re-installed on that laptop, so no-go on thoe links (unless, i have that partition backed up somewhere). ...and yeah CONFIG_HZ has to be set to 1000 for RT. anyways, liam that is where i would look, people on the RT will have the anwsers to your questions, and also are more likely to be able to point you to the most relevant white papers, and info around the internet.



Not surprising. Myself, i usually don't use RT, until it is fairly stable. But whenever, a new patch/version comes out, it is not uncommon to see on the RT-user list, people who have been running tests for long periods of time. more common than that though, is people running cyclitest, to find out the best and worst case scenarios of latency.

cheerz

Well, thanks for the effort.
Here's a whitepaper (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=investigating%20latency%20effects %20of%20the%20linux%20real-time%20preemption&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB4QFjAA&ur l=http%3A%2F%2Fversalogic.com%2Fdownloads%2Fwhitep apers%2FReal-time_Linux_Benchmark.pdf&ei=3y2vTv_7Kcji0QHCv8jaAQ &usg=AFQjCNHA3v4J0zyJ9aLFhbsDsIEmwYvtzQ) that uses a few different tests and RT patches. It's one of the more interesting ones I've come across.

Best/Liam

[ninez]

i have delta 1010LT now, but.. i need more than 8 tracks, drums is more then 8 microphones.

albo.. firewire is good if someone in my studio, wants they own laptop or stuff, so i can switch fast.

Yes, 8 tracks can be a limitation, and can be used to mic drums ~ but obviously, if you want to do things like mic everything from both the top and bottom of the drum, then no, obviously not enough tracks.

problem is, delta 1010 have only 2 input ballanced[dmx cable LOL] , no preamps and its not "rack" construction.

why didn't you buy the 1010 over the 1010LT, if you wanted a rack?

As for preamps, personally in my own experiences - you should really consider buying a 'real' preamp (or more than one), usually most audio interfaces come with shitty preamps to begin with. I remember back in the day when i used the digi001, i hated it's preamps. I have a buddy who owns a presonus, i forget which model (one of the bigger rackmount's) and he also won't use it's preamps... if you are game on spending money, buying a good preamp will make a big difference.

ECH products are fully supported, but they suck a bit, no "DMX" inputs, no inserts, only stuff with inserts is presonus i found, but albo not suported, USB cards suck, so only firewire are good, delta 1010 i will move to other comp, cause of midi stuff and 8 channels, to "practice room" to record practices of bands etc. but in studio i want realy good stuff.. did you try "lightbridge" stuff ?

nope, never tried it.

Ya, not too many audio interfaces provide separate inserts ( as for every insert, the device is basically providing 1 input/1 output). you can however, use any input & output to create an insert, but obviously you are taking away, from you max. inputs... In my case, whenever i do this - it generally is during the mixing process, and not the recording process. Which i think works fine ( i currently, am never using more than 5 or 6 inserts anyway), and essentially, makes that issue go away.

Don't get me wrong, firewire is good. i just didn't want to use it. I've had firewire act flaky in the past, not all motherboards seem to do it 'right'. (the same is also true of USB2.0, for example, i have 1 machine that can use my old USB2.0 audio interface perfectly, while the other machine will only use it's USB1.1 - USB2.0 just fails). Firewire on my laptop isn't trustworthy, so i decided on my workstation, that i would prefer to stick with PCI - as in general, i've had much better experiences with it... i really didn't feel like gambling on something, regardless of being able to return it or not.

for me, the 1010LT is fine. it works well with Jackd, provides a decent number of inputs/outputs. I have other gear that provides phantom-power, preamps, and all of the rest of that jazz, so I don't have too much to complain about.

EDIT: i was just thinking, have you thought about switching to something with an ADAT interface? it might open up some new avenues, for you.