Isn't D-Bus hate getting a bit old now? It's obviously here to stay. I'm not clear on the reasons against it. Breaking "everything is a file" is probably one of them. If it were that easy to map it onto a filesystem, surely someone would have done it by now? I think speed was another but I don't know if that's still an issue. What do you propose instead?
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Originally posted by Chewi View PostWhile I admit that it's not as modern as systemd, I still really like Gentoo's OpenRC and I think it does tick a fair few of those boxes. It's a shame the original developer abandoned it because I'm sure many of these features would have appeared if he hadn't. There has been talk of Gentoo moving to systemd but in the shorter term, it needs to stabilise OpenRC and get rid of the ageing baselayout-1. This isn't long away now.
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Originally posted by Alejandro Nova View Post1. It's a shame to see the latest systemd package I can get for Ubuntu is systemd-19, when Debian Experimental already has systemd-25.
2. To force Ubuntu to use systemd, they'll need a punch in the face. Not a real one, but a figurative one resulting from systemd + normal kernel being faster to boot than upstart + ureadahead. Upstart is already beaten, but ureadahead is a tough one: Fedora 15 is close, but still it can't match the Ubuntu boot speed.
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Originally posted by Chewi View PostIsn't D-Bus hate getting a bit old now? It's obviously here to stay. I'm not clear on the reasons against it. Breaking "everything is a file" is probably one of them. If it were that easy to map it onto a filesystem, surely someone would have done it by now? I think speed was another but I don't know if that's still an issue. What do you propose instead?
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Originally posted by energyman View Postopenrc is still maintained and what features are missing?
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Originally posted by Chewi View PostIsn't D-Bus hate getting a bit old now? It's obviously here to stay. I'm not clear on the reasons against it. Breaking "everything is a file" is probably one of them. If it were that easy to map it onto a filesystem, surely someone would have done it by now? I think speed was another but I don't know if that's still an issue. What do you propose instead?
What's another daemon to be started at boot, taking resources.
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Originally posted by curaga View PostWhat's a couple daemon deps for the init between friends?
What's another daemon to be started at boot, taking resources.
It's a shame that systemd does require D-Bus rather than making it optional as some server distros will inevitably find themselves forced to use it but really, what are we talking about here? Current usage on my desktop machine is about 20MB/1MB virtual/real RAM usage for the system daemon. On a server, it may be less. As for CPU time, it probably won't consume any after booting and how often is your server going to do that?
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Originally posted by curaga View PostWhat's a couple daemon deps for the init between friends?
What's another daemon to be started at boot, taking resources.
Unless of course a concrete feature helps distros to avoid complexity and unstability elsewhere.
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