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Originally posted by kraftman View PostAlways glad to help
It's funny how Kebbaberts trolling works:
first post is usually neutral, then attack begins and then he repeats same things all time.
Question: I am actually only collecting links from Linux kernel devs and present them here. I paste links from Linux kernel devs here. And also links from articles on the internet. Am I lying or Trolling or FUDing then? Yes or no? Can I get an answer, yes or no? Is it Trolling or FUDing to paste links? Yes or no?
Yes or no? Can I get an answer?
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Originally posted by kebabbert View Post11 millions line of code for one simple KERNEL. That is huge. It is funny you dont agree with Linus T nor with me. Entire Windows NT was 10 millions LoC. Solaris is much smaller than bloated Linux. Every OS is much smaller than Linux. Maybe except Vista.
I will make this observation: The "slower" isn't always the case with new OS versions; having said this, many of the slowdowns are perceptual things as much as anything else- BFS reveals some weak spots in the scheduler we have now (which is where the slowdowns really started showing up as best as I can tell- when CFS showed up as the default...).
Couple this with some "off" drivers Intel inflicted on mainline a while back... heh...
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Originally posted by kebabbert View PostI never get an good answer on my questions.
Question: I am actually only collecting links from Linux kernel devs and present them here. I paste links from Linux kernel devs here. And also links from articles on the internet. Am I lying or Trolling or FUDing then? Yes or no? Can I get an answer, yes or no? Is it Trolling or FUDing to paste links? Yes or no?
The claim that the kernel itself is 11Mloc and comparing it to NT's 10Mloc is comparing apples to grapefruits. NT's codebase is almost purely KERNEL code. Linux' codebase is nearly half drivers. Taking an aggressive position on bloat and using that comparison can look like FUD or Trolling and it's been a game of the people who DO that thing in the MS camp.
Do we need to trim some things out? Heck, YES! Is Linux "bloated"? Maybe, but it's not the size you think it is. So if it's needing trimming, just precisely what needs the work? Do you get to decide? Do I? Perhaps- but if that's the case, you'd better step up and convince the LKML crowd of what you propose. Otherwise, you'll not get very far and will be just labeled as a 'troller'.
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Originally posted by Svartalf View PostIt could be because your tone in your posting... Backing up, calming down, and doing what you just did would and will help.
Originally posted by Svartalf View PostThe claim that the kernel itself is 11Mloc and comparing it to NT's 10Mloc is comparing apples to grapefruits. NT's codebase is almost purely KERNEL code. Linux' codebase is nearly half drivers. Taking an aggressive position on bloat and using that comparison can look like FUD or Trolling and it's been a game of the people who DO that thing in the MS camp.
Originally posted by Svartalf View PostDo we need to trim some things out? Heck, YES! Is Linux "bloated"? Maybe, but it's not the size you think it is. So if it's needing trimming, just precisely what needs the work? Do you get to decide? Do I? Perhaps- but if that's the case, you'd better step up and convince the LKML crowd of what you propose. Otherwise, you'll not get very far and will be just labeled as a 'troller'.
I have heard that there are 5 broken APIs for sound in the Linux kernel. Is that true? If that is true, no wonder the kernel is 11 M LoC...
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Originally posted by kebabbert View PostThis is interesting. Can you back up your claims? If it is true that half of Linux 11 MloC is drivers, then it is not as bad as I thought. And NTs codebase of 10MloC is almost purely Kernel code? Can you back that up?
Come on, 11 M LoC of kernel code is TOO much. That is a fact. I think Linus T can trim the Kernel down. Which it needs badly.
You should really think if your trolling is going to help Solaris. Bashing Linux isn't going to help Solaris. When your mind is saying "Now I have to go [insert forum] troll about how bad Linux is!" instead you should think how you can help Solaris without bashing Linux or any other OS.
DISCLAIMER: English is not my native language.
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Originally posted by Zetbo View PostOf course there are lines of code in kernel. It supports something like 50 different cpu archs and gazzillion drivers out of box. Scales from cellphone to supercomputer. You think those come from free? When your precious Solaris support 50 cpu arcs and same amount of hardware as Linux, then we can have this conversation again.
@BlackStar
I recommended this idiot the same some time ago, but you know... he's a troll or he's incredibly dumb. :>
He sometimes just wash his trolls face and masks it behind some idiotic questions.Last edited by kraftman; 26 September 2009, 04:56 AM.
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Originally posted by Zetbo View PostSo you don't even know what are you been saying all along? You can keep bashing Linux all you want and whine about "bloat", but its not going to help your credibility if you don't know what your talking about.
Remember, all the things I claim, I have collected from sources such as Linux kernel devs, articles, etc. I can ALWAYS post them links. I never make up anything. I can ALWAYS prove my claims. Remember that I am merely collecting links, and post them here. These are not my own opinions - because I never looked into the Linux source code. I dont have time to build an own opinion on Linux code. I read what others say. If they say Linux code is good, then I post that claim instead. But not many guru programmers thinks so. Five broken sound APIs is scary. Linux should be cleaned up.
If people says Vista is a piece of shit, I dont try it. I dont have time to try Vista out. I listen to what others, gurus say. If they say Windows 7 is good, I am willing to try that. If they say Linux is bloated, I have no reason to believe they are lying, specially when Linus T says so.
Blackstar,
You are right. Sorry for this. I will try to post no more off topic, again. But other people keep adressing me.
Hey you guys, if you want to discuss off topic with me, please PM me or start a new thread. I will enter that thread.
Back to on topic. I have installed latest Ubuntu in VirtualBox to try Linux out. So far I must say that Ubuntu and OpenSolaris are awfully similar. The only difference is that OpenSolaris is blue and Ubuntu is brown. Other than that, they look exactly identical. It seems that the step from OpenSolaris to Ubuntu is very small, all knowledge from OpenSolaris I can apply to Ubuntu at once. I know that OpenSolaris has copied the desktop feeling from Ubuntu.
Are there any easy instructions how to apply this BFS patch so I can try Con Kolivas patch out? He seems to have fresh ideas, I would like to try out.Last edited by kebabbert; 26 September 2009, 05:43 AM.
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Turning idiots filter on. I wonder who would like to talk with a moron even in another thread...
Back to on topic. I have installed latest Ubuntu in VirtualBox to try Linux out. So far I must say that Ubuntu and OpenSolaris are awfully similar. The only difference is that OpenSolaris is blue and Ubuntu is brown. Other than that, they look exactly identical. It seems that the step from OpenSolaris to Ubuntu is very small, all knowledge from OpenSolaris I can apply to Ubuntu at once. I know that OpenSolaris has copied the desktop feeling from Ubuntu.
Are there any easy instructions how to apply this BFS patch so I can try Con Kolivas patch out? He seems to have fresh ideas, I would like to try out.
He sometimes just wash his trolls face and masks it behind some idiotic questionsLast edited by kraftman; 26 September 2009, 06:01 AM.
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