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  • #11
    Originally posted by rene View Post
    LOL the company causing the worst update and Open Source driver record with Android. Way to go Google and your commercial partners. First.
    Google only just started making their own custom chips for their newest flagship phones. How could they be responsible for all the crap drivers?

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    • #12
      Originally posted by ssokolow View Post

      Google only just started making their own custom chips for their newest flagship phones. How could they be responsible for all the crap drivers?
      yeah, sure, Google had nothing to do with Android ever before, lol ;-) PS: "their" SoC does appear to mostly use other regular ARM tech and only a little Google Tensor cores, ...

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      • #13
        Originally posted by timofonic View Post
        Oh! The irony is great here!

        Why not they invest first and set a good example for the rest instead wasting efforts on soon-to-fail experiments such as FuchsiaOS?

        Google, please do your homework before talking to others...
        It seems to me that you have some problems with Google. What they say is reasonable and not new, Linus himself said so. There are many companies that use the Linux kernel, some very active on the kernel, others with almost zero contribution. Google is one of the companies that contributes most to the kernel and as Linus T. has said on occasion their patches are always reliable and they also contribute in patches that their products are not affected by. We are in a difficult time in computing, there are major security challenges and this attitude is not helping.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by uid313 View Post
          The big contributors are Intel, Red Hat, Linaro, Samsung, SUSE, IBM and Renesas Electronics.

          I guess Nvidia, Qualcomm, and MediaTek aren't contributing enough. As well as all of the fintech, military, aerospace, and automobile industry.
          The most recent list relating to the 5.10 kernel :
          Huawei
          Red Hat
          Google
          Amd
          Linaro
          Samsumg
          IBM
          NXP
          Facebook
          Oracle
          SUSE
          ARM

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          • #15
            Originally posted by uid313 View Post
            As well as all of the fintech, military, aerospace, and automobile industry.
            They most likely never will. They tend to follow one of these practices:
            - hire fresh graduates to save money, let them hack away at the problem, test the embedded package as a whole afterwards and forget about it;
            - optimize everything with the available top talent to the point that the code is not useful anywhere else;
            - abstract the hell out of everything so that the code can be used on Linux today, RTEMS tomorrow, if need be.

            They have zero interest in contributing to Linux proper in any case.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by rene View Post

              yeah, sure, Google had nothing to do with Android ever before, lol ;-) PS: "their" SoC does appear to mostly use other regular ARM tech and only a little Google Tensor cores, ...
              They've been leaning on Qualcomm & Broadcom for years and it's done not an ounce of good in getting them to play nice. Putting that effort into their own chips just gave Qualcomm, et al the big middle finger. Google does some harm, but they also do a lot of good. Condemning a company and never recognizing the good they do regardless of motivation is a good way to make them stop doing anything to help broader society.

              The only reason Qualcomm has even bothered to start token efforts towards supporting FOSS is exactly because their biggest customers are figuring out they have the money and talent to tell them to shove off and their patents won't protect them everywhere, or even in all cases - or at all in places like China.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by JackLilhammers View Post

                How can you be so sure?
                By using two tools: Statistic(TM) and Probability(TM)

                Examples:
                - Aardvark.
                - Google Wave.
                - Orkut.
                - Google Knol
                - Google Code.
                - Google Notebook.
                - Google Plus.
                - Google Cloud Print.
                - Google Answers.
                - Dodgeball.
                - Google Hangouts on Air.
                - Google Glass.
                - Google Page Creator.



                Tons others...

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...oogle_services

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by rene View Post

                  yeah, sure, Google had nothing to do with Android ever before, lol ;-) PS: "their" SoC does appear to mostly use other regular ARM tech and only a little Google Tensor cores, ...
                  You can blame Qualcomm, not google for that. They developed the majority of the hardware (specifically the SOC) and the drivers that go along with it (which are closed source).

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by timofonic View Post

                    By using two tools: Statistic(TM) and Probability(TM)

                    Examples:
                    - Aardvark.
                    - Google Wave.
                    - Orkut.
                    - Google Knol
                    - Google Code.
                    - Google Notebook.
                    - Google Plus.
                    - Google Cloud Print.
                    - Google Answers.
                    - Dodgeball.
                    - Google Hangouts on Air.
                    - Google Glass.
                    - Google Page Creator.



                    Tons others...

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...oogle_services
                    If you're going to assume that all things Google does have an equal probability of being killed, at least link to the Google Graveyard:

                    https://killedbygoogle.com/

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                    • #20
                      timofonic

                      Here, at least these have nicer UIs
                      https://killedbygoogle.com/
                      https://gcemetery.co/

                      However Google has lots and lots of projects.
                      Perhaps you'll be right, but the list of the discontinued projects is not enough to make forecasts on the active ones.
                      So, what makes you confident?

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