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Originally posted by gigaplex View PostStating "And be aware that the likelihood that you know what you are doing is basically nil." is basically saying "you're stupid" rather than "you're wrong". It's a message indicating they have nothing useful to contribute.
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Originally posted by menasaw683 View PostI disagree; wholeheartedly even. And here is why -- Assume for a moment you're at at your job and you're performing your assigned task to a sub-par standard. At some point or another, your manager will have to make you aware of this fact. And there really comes a moment at which point negative words, such as 'poor', 'no' and other such words do come into play. This is perfectly normal and always has been. Suggesting otherwise is just SJW-foolishness.
The nature of language requires this balance between both positive language and negative language. Whether the word is 'poor' or 'un-good', the point remains the same and always has remained the same. There literally is no way to create a natural language that does not, at some point, use words that describe things in a negative manner.
And the point I am making is this -- Read WHAT Linus is saying, not HOW he is saying it. The MESSAGE is important. Not the language used to convey said message. And the message itself is quite clear and hardly rude on its own. It simply is criticism of the methodology used by the Google developer to arrive at, obviously, incorrect conclusions. Again, at some point you will fail. Everyone does. And one has to be made aware of this failure. There is no way around this and no way to improve understanding other than being made aware of things we're doing wrong.
So, no... let's stop this excessive SJW-bullshit already. The Google developer works for Google... I think they're quite aware of the concept of criticism and being made aware of different points of view. They do not white knights protecting them from Linus' supposedly harsh language (which I never agreed with, I actually always found him quite tame to be truthful, kind of boring actually), they need to take what is being said and use that to improve their own methodology.
The goal is important. Not the words used to get to that goal. Substance over form, please.
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Originally posted by Beherit View Post”room for improvement” is #1 on my loathe-list of corporate lingo.
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Originally posted by Volta View Post
While I'm not native English speaker I sometimes doubt Michael knows this language better.. Google developer sucks btw.
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Here is a geekbench on xanmod 5.4.6 CFS and xanmod 5.4.6 BMQ
CFS: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/950917
BMQ: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/952640
Tho geekbench is not so good and it doesnt measure gaming performance.
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Originally posted by CochainComplex View PostWhen I was 15 it wore baggy pants too cool late 1990. So I know how I felt back then ...cool. But when you turn 30 you should start to realise that "earning respect" does not relate to cool rude phrases (at least not in the peer group I belong to). But maybe adoring "Cool Rude Linus" is common under gangsta rappers.
Originally posted by CochainComplex View Postp.s.: last paragraph has some valid points - I also don't like the very right language but it has to be distinguised between slight nounces not appropiate or used for rethorical shaping or feeling cool because of slamming around with a limited set of insults just for the feel good factor.
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Originally posted by Creak View PostJust by seeing how some people here consider the Google developer to "showed himself a fool", or that he "sucks", or that he "was talking mostly out of his rear", or even making a general affirmation that "Google is becoming pathetic". This explains why words are important. If Linus would have been less rude, maybe you lot would have been less rude too.
This, to me, is the exact definition of a toxic community.
I know other open source communities where you can be told you're wrong without telling you you're stupid.
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Originally posted by ssokolow View Post
Does anyone else get an "out-of-touch grumpy grandpa" vibe out of the choice to use this analogy?
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. It reminds me of this excerpt from something RationalWiki did well... this passage from the Identity politics as a vehicle for oppression section of their Identity politics page:
(TL;DR: Faffing about with caring about using exactly the right language fosters resentment because, on some level, we perceive its potential as a means for the powerless to gain un-earned and purely on-paper superiority over others who can't keep up with the treadmill of new etiquette.)
p.s.: last paragraph has some valid points - I also don't like the very right language but it has to be distinguised between slight nounces not appropiate or used for rethorical shaping or feeling cool because of slamming around with a limited set of insults just for the feel good factor.Last edited by CochainComplex; 05 January 2020, 07:26 PM.
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Bah. Got my post flagged because I was too lazy to strip all the links from a quotation from a wiki article. Paging Michael!
That said, I should amend it and, since I can't amend an unapproved post, here's the amendment early:
...that said, the thrust of the problem is definitely a fixation on ignoring how Torvalds is attacking and insulting the argument, methodology, and conclusion rather than the person making them.
"Attack the argument, not the person making it" is the classic statement about how to argue properly.Last edited by ssokolow; 05 January 2020, 07:08 PM.
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