Debian Eyes Automatic Updates For New Installations

[dungeon]

Automatic updates on windows 10 are much faster than from windows vista to 8.1. But the article says automatic upgrades, which one is it?

Automatic is something which is not manual and vice versa, by default.

Like automatic vsync force enabled with opensource driver, it is just default and is option but no one informed us about that

[starshipeleven]

Automatic is something which is not manual and vice versa, by default.

Like automatic vsync force enabled with opensource driver, it is just default and is option but no one informed us about that

he was confused by updates vs upgrades, as the tool doing this automatic updates is called "unattended-upgrades".

Which makes sense if you think that the command to update packages is apt-get upgrade, but makes no sense for an outsider.

[dungeon]

At least for Debian updates are anything which is not new version (only bug fix or security patch on top of the same version), while upgrades are new versions of software, dist-upgrades are upgrades to new distro version and so on.

Average people seems to name both updates and upgrades as anything up to date must be updates or something like any update is upgrade actually and some even vice versa

But yeah tools name things differently - apt-get, aptitude, wajig, whatever... rolling distros have different feelings what that is in comparison to enterprise... We can even say, there is no diff between updates nor upgrades in rolling distro, as you just roll there and don't care

[starshipeleven]

At least for Debian updates are anything which is not new version (only bug fix or security patch on top of the same version), while upgrades are new versions of software, dist-upgrades are upgrades to new distro version and so on.

No, it's just a dumb decision that was carried over.
apt-get update is actually an "update package lists", so the most obvious command to update stuff was already taken, and they had to call the "install updates" apt-get upgrade.
Same dumb decision was mimicked by aptitude so you get aptitude update and aptitude safe-upgrade.

Therefore the tool was called unattended-upgrades, as it was performing a apt-get upgrade, or aptitude safe-upgrade, while unattended.

Most other package managers like say zypper from opensuse perform a package update automatically AND update packages when you write zypper update.
Same for arch's pacman -Syu or RHEL/Fedora's dnf upgrade (which for some unknown reason is using "upgrade" even if it has no "update" command).

[dungeon]

As i said those are just a tools somebody decided to be like that, even if you decide to make a tool with your namings somebody will not agree with that too

Maybe switch to use wajig, there you just do wajig dailyupdate which do the same as apt-get update && apt-get upgrade

[starshipeleven]

As i said those are just a tools somebody decided to be like that

And as I said, the confusion is only because of these names making no sense to people that don't know them.

Outside Linux (some distros), an automatic update is not the same thing of an automatic upgrade.

Maybe switch to use wajig

or just set an alias or a function in .bashrc and be done with it.

[dungeon]

or just set an alias or a function in .bashrc and be done with it.

Or just do this automatic and do nothing