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I'm wondering what will happen to Debian GNU/Hurd and Debian GNU/kFreeBSD if they switch to systemd
at least upstart would be easier to port and they said that they will accept patches (source: https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/op...s/systemd.html ``<azeem>Steve said he would happily take porting patches'')
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Originally posted by Annabel View PostI'm wondering what will happen to Debian GNU/Hurd and Debian GNU/kFreeBSD if they switch to systemd
at least upstart would be easier to port and they said that they will accept patches (source: https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/op...s/systemd.html ``<azeem>Steve said he would happily take porting patches'')
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Originally posted by xeekei View PostLennart Poettering and Kay Sievers have already answered this. The core design of Upstart is wrong, and even if it wasn't, there's still Canonical's CLA.
Ubuntu is also only the most used distro on desktop systems.
From my perspective this is another attempt to derail one company's effort and replace it with something own. It's not like it hasn't happened before. The latest upstart vs. systemd is nothing new on that front.
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Originally posted by Anarchy View PostAnd it took them FOUR years to say so? Why didn't they try to influence its development? Raise their concerns? And please don't hide behind the CLA. It is a simple stupid document that can be renegotiated between the companies and individuals willing to contribute since the start system is fundamental part of the OS. In the worst case scenario said individuals and companies can fork the original project and rename it to something else. Problem solved.
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Originally posted by profoundWHALE View PostWhy not have OpenRC for compatibility with older scripts? Or would that even work?
However OpenRC puts its "runscripts" in the exact same location as a sysV initscript. You can either have the initscript (compatibility with all) or runscript (only compatible with OpenRC).
For your proposal to work, OpenRC needs to move the location of its runscripts as that hinders compatibility.
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Originally posted by gens View Postafaik openRC is an evolution of sysvinit
gives all those new shiny "features" without being complex and invasive
at least that's what i understand
Originally posted by gens View Postand from what i have read most of debian tech committee didn't know much about it
There was a minor subthread about daemon startup and monitoring and the tech committee members didn't like how it did such a thing. They also had concerns with using "monit" as the sole monitoring method. I would also add that there was no solution for logind in the openRC world, but that also extends to Upstart.
(Then there is the unadressed issue of runscripts replacing initscripts and therefore destroying backwards compatibility, but that is minor.)
Reading between the lines both Gnome and KDE by the time of Jessie will be requiring Logind and while this isnt being addressed explicitly, it is an issue for other init systems - their "easy" alternative is to keep consolekit working, but no maintainers have stepped up to the plate in that regard (despite initial suggestions that a maintainer from Canonical was going to take it over).
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Originally posted by You- View PostThere was a minor subthread about daemon startup and monitoring and the tech committee members didn't like how it did such a thing. They also had concerns with using "monit" as the sole monitoring method. I would also add that there was no solution for logind in the openRC world, but that also extends to Upstart.
what the f* does user space desktop/user/seat/monitoring/thing have to do with how the system loads modules and starts system daemons
and don't we already have user groups, SUID and the likes to regulate user permissions, regardless of what's underneath
i'm no admin but mine so console-kit and the likes confuse me
don't we already have all that in the kernel/filesystem ?
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Originally posted by Anarchy View PostAnd please don't hide behind the CLA. It is a simple stupid document that can be renegotiated between the companies and individuals willing to contribute since the start system is fundamental part of the OS.
Originally posted by Anarchy View PostIn the worst case scenario said individuals and companies can fork the original project and rename it to something else. Problem solved.
Originally posted by Anarchy View PostFrom my perspective this is another attempt to derail one company's effort and replace it with something own.
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