I think I'll wait until there's widespread adoption in the enterprise.
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Originally posted by JS987 View PostProper testing needs automated tests created by testers running 24/7 on dedicated servers.
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Originally posted by RahulSundaram View PostFor filesystems, automated tests already exists and are extensively used by developers involved. However that doesn't catch all the different issues that crop up when people actually start using it. This is why there is no magical period where one can declare it stable. It just matures better with time.
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Originally posted by JS987 View PostThose tests are probably only artificial. Good tests should cover all use cases.
I swear to God the people on these boards are as deaf and blind as they come...
--Happy BTRFS user for the last like 2years. 1 Failure that entire time, which was completely my fault.--All opinions are my own not those of my employer if you know who they are.
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Originally posted by Rich Oliver View PostI'm fairly new to Linux but I've ended up on Opensuse. I'd very much like to support a default distro. Ubuntu is clearly beyond the pale: Unity, Upstart, Mir plus the spy ware business. So I'm interested in your critique. Do you think Opensuse are open to reason? Opensuse seem to cut a good balance between Stability and cutting edge.
As the first posters in this thread said, OpenSuse is a fairly conservative distro (when it comes to underlying technology not package versions). The fact that they are switching to this filesystem has caught most of us by surprise.
Originally posted by GreatEmerald View PostYou don't add repositories manually most of the time. You go to http://software.opensuse.org and enter the package name to the search box, then press 1-Click Install and the repository gets added for you automatically. And when you do need to add them manually, the URL is found in the wiki, and the process of adding it is straight-forward.
Originally posted by GreatEmerald View PostEh? No, you just add KDE:Release:410 or so, then press the "replace system packages" button in the package manager, and your KDE gets upgraded to the SC of your choice.
Originally posted by GreatEmerald View PostAnd how is that bad? You need to start somewhere. As for the proprietary drivers, not much you can do about it due to the constantly changing graphics stack components. Reinstalling isn't hard, too.
Originally posted by GreatEmerald View PostNo, you can just get it off build service packages. There's no reason to update milestones, because all the development is going towards the new version anyway.
Now, I understand why OpenSuse's repos are split the way there are. Thanks, guys for the responses.
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Originally posted by CTown View PostI get that Yast is different (and that's not a bad thing) but installing common applications that are needed right away is not a friendly way to teach new users how to add Yast repositories.
They also have a nice search engine on their web site which can sort through all their alternate repositories hosted on their own build system. This search engine of course procudes "1-click installer" just pick the package you want to install and it takes care of all the rest (adding extra repositories and handling dependencies).
So in fact Suse is become much more end-user friendly.
Originally posted by CTown View PostThe milestones releases works differently then most distros. They seem to contain their own repository and don't seem to update at all until the next milestone release. For instance, if one milestone comes out a week before a beta 2 version of some software comes out, you have to wait three weeks for the next milestone to come out in order to get it.
- if a package has a newer version, wait for the next release just like ANY version, not just milestones.
- if a package has a bug/security fix, you should get it from the upgrades. Earlier milestones don't feature upgrades (Debian does the same, too). Stay on a stable release if you want security.
- if you desparately need the latest version of a package, that's why the repositories from their build-system are availble. Either a new repositories, or use the 1-click feature (and the search engine)
Also, I think that OpenSuse should come out with a true rolling release model to compete with the fact that Ubuntu is "always stable" at any point in its release now.
Originally posted by Pickle View PostSeem to be conflicting statements. How can it be stable with expectation for minimal changes, but yet be under heavy development, which suggests many changes. Maybe they were better saying actively developed. Im skeptical right now to move from EXT4 to BTRS.
In BTRFS' case, as you might have noticed by reading Phoronix, that mostly is going on in plug-ins and extra feature.
That means, if you don't turn on every last bat-shit-crazy-insane options, just to squeeze the last drop of performance, you probably won't see the *heavy* development. BTRFS heavily relies on extensions, etc. If you want stability, just use the few mature feature, specially the one regarding data security, and avoid bleeding edge new optimisation features.
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Originally posted by johnc View PostI think I'll wait until there's widespread adoption in the enterprise.
I liked Tumbleweed for the most part, and if I liked KDE enough, I may have switched to it at some point. My biggest complaint was the speed of package management. It felt even slower than apt, (and I've found apt painfully slow for a while since you do a lot of package management with Debian sid and my patience level is terrible). However, I was using a 5400RPM disk for suse, so it wasn't a fair comparison.
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Originally posted by DanL View Post..but they're waiting on you to test it. Know your role, peasant!
I liked Tumbleweed for the most part, and if I liked KDE enough, I may have switched to it at some point. My biggest complaint was the speed of package management. It felt even slower than apt, (and I've found apt painfully slow for a while since you do a lot of package management with Debian sid and my patience level is terrible). However, I was using a 5400RPM disk for suse, so it wasn't a fair comparison.
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Also Larabel appears to have missed a paragraph (ftfs):
Of some special interest for this release is btrfs. A discussion has been going on about making this future-oriented file system the default on the next openSUSE. That won’t be but btrfs is still a prominent option during installation so any relevant testing and bugfixing will benefit many openSUSE 13.1 users. And, more importantly, we aim for having it default in the future.
So that means they're looking at 13.2 having it by default not 13.1
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