Ubuntu Set To Terminate Its Brainstorm Project

[r_a_trip]

You're very optimistic. Today the world works in financial quarters, semesters at most

That is generally my downfall. Despite all the evidence to the contrary, I refuse to believe in the worst of the worst.

Sometimes I secretly wish I was just a hapless dolt, floating through life, not noticing anything and obliviously and happily plug away at being a good little consumer.

[Serafean]

This is not about your own personal tastes , you can make your own distro if you want. This is about how ubuntu stands right now, and right now is the best distro

Well, I'm saying the best (usable) OS out there is Solaris 11. How the hell isn't it about my personnal tastes? When anyone says something is the best it's their personnal opinion (unless it's a statement that can be backed up by proof, mathematical being the most irrefutable).

No one thinks further than two, three years. Or past their own cushy setup they have right now.

You're very optimistic. Today the world works in financial quarters, semesters at most

3) Sorry but silverlight nor my netflix subscription works on my linux installs (thx msft)... and Adobe does not support linux anymore thus I have an old, slow, buggy flash that heats my laptop.

I'm going to point you here : https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/ra...edia-fpwd.html
Especially this part :

1.2.1. Content Decryption Module (CDM)
This section is non-normative.
The Content Decryption Module (CDM) is a generic term for a part of or add-on to the user agent that provides functionality for one or more Key Systems. Implementations may or may not separate the implementations of CDMs and may or may not treat them as separate from the user agent. This is transparent to the API and application. A user agent may support one or more CDMs.

Those add-ons, due to their nature, will be closed source. Granted, it will be a lot less complex than flash/silverlight, the main problem only gets hidden under a pretty API. If I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath for a Netflix CDM under linux.

[madjr]

1) Doable with wayland too => Non ubuntu specific. The fact that they are touting it as a ubuntu-specific feature is IMO an insult to all the hard work done by the X/Wayland team.
2) Agreed
3) Take a look at how DRM in HTML5 is implemented. It's IMO going to be far worse than flash/silverlight.

1) Android uses surfacefling, and ubuntu-touch is currently using it, others will be able to use Mir in similar way.

yes sometimes is a bit sad but is not too different from what systemd pulled and many projects over the years have done. Out of the blue they decide to start something else, fork , etc. (hey we even have Libreoffice and openoffice as separate projects...... ;/), so everyone only wants to blame canonical, but Gnome is a mess too and they even want to create yet another OS and are not cooperating with listaller for their app bundles and created yet another project (glick2)...

So maybe is better to judge Canonical after a few years if it was worth it or not. However at least they are going with EGL drivers that everyone can benefit from.

2) double agree on the preinstalled HW :P

3) Sorry but silverlight nor my netflix subscription works on my linux installs (thx msft)... and Adobe does not support linux anymore thus I have an old, slow, buggy flash that heats my laptop.

So I much disagree is worse. I'll be very happy to get rid of those crappy plugins sooner than later.

[r_a_trip]

You're saying it suits you, which is fine. It doesn't suit me.
I need to have easily switchable gcc versions installed in parallel. PITA in ubuntu, a breeze in Gentoo.
I want to quickly switch between proprietary and OSS drivers, PITA (last I checked) in ubuntu, a breeze in Gentoo.
I want to experiment using systemd. No way in hell that's happening under ubuntu without breaking the entire system.

All I'm saying is specific distros are for specific needs (not saying all distros out there are needed). Ubuntu isn't bad for the BFU, but it sucks for me.
Why am I worried about the direction Canonical is taking ubuntu? Because even though I don't use it, their decisions will affect me. That's how big an impact they have. The same can be said about Red Hat, Novell and some others, but those have already passed the test of 'playing nice', which Canonical has failed.

Personal experience : I am a Gentoo/Chakra user. It has happened more than once that when I pulled out my laptop people were amazed at my setup (granted, highly customized and none of them were BFUs). some of those people tried a different distro and have never looked back.
The point here is (as has been mentioned several times in the thread) that ubuntu is percieved as THE linux distro, and that's dangerous for all of us FOSS enthusiasts.
Just look at steam for linux. Using ubuntu specific APIs. That's how it begins.

Hear, hear. But that is counter to finally having one OS, any OS other than MS in the mainstream, consequences be damned. No one thinks further than two, three years. Or past their own cushy setup they have right now.

[r_a_trip]

It's a conspiracy . The Illuminati are behind Canonical

No they are not. If they were, there would be much more butterflies and triangles in Ubuntu...

[Serafean]

@r_a_trip

Ubuntu-touch will be possible thanks to being able to use its drivers, support and layers. Its open for any project to use.

...

Like I said before (and probably a million times over the years), If you want Linux/FOSS to balance out the power in the world. It needs to come PREINSTALLED in new hardware.

Even Linus has said it.

...

And sorry but you can NOT win them all. Even HTML5 had to add DRM support. But hey is much better than having to deal with things like Flash or silverlight.

1) Doable with wayland too => Non ubuntu specific. The fact that they are touting it as a ubuntu-specific feature is IMO an insult to all the hard work done by the X/Wayland team.
2) Agreed
3) Take a look at how DRM in HTML5 is implemented. It's IMO going to be far worse than flash/silverlight.

[Alex Sarmiento]

You're saying it suits you, which is fine. It doesn't suit me.
I need to have easily switchable gcc versions installed in parallel. PITA in ubuntu, a breeze in Gentoo.
I want to quickly switch between proprietary and OSS drivers, PITA (last I checked) in ubuntu, a breeze in Gentoo.
I want to experiment using systemd. No way in hell that's happening under ubuntu without breaking the entire system.

All I'm saying is specific distros are for specific needs (not saying all distros out there are needed). Ubuntu isn't bad for the BFU, but it sucks for me.
Why am I worried about the direction Canonical is taking ubuntu? Because even though I don't use it, their decisions will affect me. That's how big an impact they have. The same can be said about Red Hat, Novell and some others, but those have already passed the test of 'playing nice', which Canonical has failed.

Personal experience : I am a Gentoo/Chakra user. It has happened more than once that when I pulled out my laptop people were amazed at my setup (granted, highly customized and none of them were BFUs). some of those people tried a different distro and have never looked back.
The point here is (as has been mentioned several times in the thread) that ubuntu is percieved as THE linux distro, and that's dangerous for all of us FOSS enthusiasts.
Just look at steam for linux. Using ubuntu specific APIs. That's how it begins.

This is not about your own personal tastes , you can make your own distro if you want. This is about how ubuntu stands right now, and right now is the best distro

[Calinou]

I want to quickly switch between proprietary and OSS drivers, PITA (last I checked) in ubuntu, a breeze in Gentoo.

Software Sources > Additional Drivers.

There you go.

Ubuntu is the best Linux distro out there and by far. I found it funny the sado masochism syndrome of some linux geek users just to please their own ego.

I like Ubuntu too (Xubuntu to be exact, but Ubuntu isn't bad either).

[Serafean]

Ubuntu is the best Linux distro out there and by far. I found it funny the sado masochism syndrome of some linux geek users just to please their own ego.

You're saying it suits you, which is fine. It doesn't suit me.
I need to have easily switchable gcc versions installed in parallel. PITA in ubuntu, a breeze in Gentoo.
I want to quickly switch between proprietary and OSS drivers, PITA (last I checked) in ubuntu, a breeze in Gentoo.
I want to experiment using systemd. No way in hell that's happening under ubuntu without breaking the entire system.

All I'm saying is specific distros are for specific needs (not saying all distros out there are needed). Ubuntu isn't bad for the BFU, but it sucks for me.
Why am I worried about the direction Canonical is taking ubuntu? Because even though I don't use it, their decisions will affect me. That's how big an impact they have. The same can be said about Red Hat, Novell and some others, but those have already passed the test of 'playing nice', which Canonical has failed.

Personal experience : I am a Gentoo/Chakra user. It has happened more than once that when I pulled out my laptop people were amazed at my setup (granted, highly customized and none of them were BFUs). some of those people tried a different distro and have never looked back.
The point here is (as has been mentioned several times in the thread) that ubuntu is percieved as THE linux distro, and that's dangerous for all of us FOSS enthusiasts.
Just look at steam for linux. Using ubuntu specific APIs. That's how it begins.

[madjr]

@r_a_trip

sorry for the term, But a lot of what you wrote is BS (or maybe a lack of understanding the big picture or all the strong variables in the equation).

no one is locked to anything.

I can switch from ubuntu or unity right now, without much hiccup. In fact I run several distros for different purposes, even BSD.

And without Android we would have nothing in the mobile space right now.

Ubuntu-touch will be possible thanks to being able to use those drivers, support and layers from Android. Its open for many project to use.

Tell me if you can take the windows/WP/osX/iOS improvements, support or drivers and use them on your projects ?

Like I said before (and probably a million times over the years), If you want Linux/FOSS to balance out the power in the world. It needs to come *PREINSTALLED* in new hardware.

Even Linus has said it. That's why he's actually proud of Android.

Only Ubuntu (and somewhat Mint) are working towards this goal and supporting vendors as well as the new users. The other distros have never really give a flying F*** about this, so in a meritocracy you can only get what you work hard for and deserve.

And sorry but you can NOT win them all. Even HTML5 had to add DRM support. But hey is much better than having to deal with very closed stuff like Flash or silverlight from companies that won't even support us.