Canonical Looking At Including Performance Tools In Ubuntu 24.04 By Default

[Alexmitter]

Conspiracy? Wait what? Where? I didn't say 9/11 was an inside job. I just stated the fact that Michael likes big bloated GNU/Linux packages, especially if they originate from anyone associated with IBM. Or that leaves their job with IBM and takes a job with Microsoft. Nothing controversial about that.

Oh yea, I see, its about systemd again. Instead of complaining, just write your clean, lean replacement for systemd. Do it because no actual professional sees any reason currently why anyone should replace systemd with something else.

There surely can be a pipewire of init systems, but going back to the OSS of init systems isn't it.
Until then, sane people will use systemd and people with more spite than brain will use classic init wrapped in shit.

[andyprough]

Oh yea, I see, its about systemd again

Not just systemd. For example, this is the only GNU/Linux website I know of that promotes the Chrome browser (there may be others that promote it, but I don't know about them). Chrome by itself probably prefetches and prerenders more than 120mb of completely worthless and unused data in a short time of use.

[Vistaus]

Michael Larabel being concerned about an extra 120mb for the download and an extra half GB on the install has got to be one of the most amusing things I've seen this year. I can't recall a bloated pig of a package he hasn't fallen in love with. I guess the fact that it's coming from Canonical and not from the beloved IBM is probably the bigger issue.

It is concerning, because Canonical dropped various kinds of software, including gnome-games recently, not only because of usecases, but also because they wanted to save space. And now they are increasing space again. Do they even know what they want?

[kylew77]

I'm pretty for sure Ubuntu and its flavors haven't been offered on CD iso in a few releases so keeping the size small enough to fit on a CD is mute at this point and with most images being put on USB sticks and 8GB usb sticks being about the smallest you can buy, I welcome the change.

Especially if they can add in auto running support where it automatically tunes the system for best performance.

[andyprough]

It is concerning, because Canonical dropped various kinds of software, including gnome-games recently, not only because of usecases, but also because they wanted to save space. And now they are increasing space again. Do they even know what they want?

I don't know, they probably know their users better than me. Was anyone even using Gnome games anymore? And talk about something that would be easy to add - wouldn't 'sudo apt install gnome-games' do the tricK?

[DumbFsck]

The only real justification I think could make sense is that having the tools already there would make it easier to onboard more people into the area.

Like, if you are a curious user and now and again check iptrace or whatever, or if some guide tells you to use some tool to find something out.


But the bpf packages can't fit into this reasoning, they are not like gnome-tweaks that your average enthusiast can grok instantly just by reading the interface what the software does.

People who use those more involved tools are more than capable enough to just install them.

I have no idea of the costs for canonical of distributing 500mb of "useless" "bloat" with updates through the lifetime of a version for how ever many thousands and thousands maybe millions of deployments. But I can't imagine there's any benefit justifying it.


Note: I don't think these tools are useless, far from it. I said useless with quotes because of my belief they are useful. They absolutely are "useless" to your regular user.

[varikonniemi]

install media should come with what you need to have a very functional desktop preconfigured after install. It should not come with specialist tools like this.

[stesmi]

The only real justification I think could make sense is that having the tools already there would make it easier to onboard more people into the area.

Like, if you are a curious user and now and again check iptrace or whatever, or if some guide tells you to use some tool to find something out.

The same justification can be said about any tool. CAD tools? Let's onboard more people there, or 3d printing tools? Some IDE? Or literally anything else?

The person writing the guide will most likely have said "Use this tool, and this is how you install it," or he should have anyway...

[Vistaus]

I don't know, they probably know their users better than me. Was anyone even using Gnome games anymore? And talk about something that would be easy to add - wouldn't 'sudo apt install gnome-games' do the tricK?

That wasn't my point. Read my post again.

[yump]

sarmad, jabl

Words mean things, and "conspiracy" means multiple actors cooperating in secret, not "without the support of significant evidence".

Y'all need to stop reading so much written by people who watch MSNBC. It rots their brains, and the rot is mildly contagious.

andyprough

Your beliefs about Michael's bias are without the support of significant evidence, and only loosely related to the context of this thread. You are trolling for yet another stupid flame war about systemd. Some idiot already took the bait.

Cut that out.