Linux Mint Starts Working On Wayland For Cinnamon, Likely Not Fully Ready Until 2026

[Weasel]

LOL!
Have they finally got tired of all the security vulnerabilities and people (me included) making fun of them still not supporting Wayland?

Anyway, starting today and say that you will have a stable Wayland session in 2 years seems to me very naive.

At least if they don't take a shortcut like forking again Gnome and re-implementing the Cinnamon layout and behavior.

Is this your way of coping with the fact that nobody of significance gives a shit?

What about privacy and security, shouldn't most people want that too?

They care about functionality first. Something Crapland refuses to acknowledge (e.g. querying/setting absolute window positions). That's why they use either Linux Mint with X11 or Windows instead, both of which allow you to.

So cope harder with your hysterical paranoia.

[drastic]

I generally agree with what you say, but...
Linux Mint's users seem so be only newbies or people that don't care about privacy, security and quality.

You are over-generalizing. While Linux Mint is indeed intended for an average Linux user, I know of many proffesionals who use it, and who like it, too.

Imagine a professional programmer on Linux. Of course, for programming, you generally don't need a new fancy computer, but several displays and a good keyboard are usually required. A second computer also helps for testing/experimenting, also you need offline data backup, and that's all.

You have to know that 99% of programming jobs are certainly not about HDR, VR, Freesync, or such other new fancy technologies, but about standard PC hardware connected to an sRGB monitor.

Why wouldn't the programmer use Linux Mint?

In my opinion, a distro and a desktop environment should try to be as good as possible in many different areas as you cannot know how advanced a users might be, how many users can be on a computer and how many different tasks will they be doing and which will be those.

Linux Mint and Cinnamon is not the only distro and DE that offers an easy-to-use traditional-style taskbar and start menu, so we can put that at the side for a moment.

What about privacy and security, shouldn't most people want that too?

Well, Linux Mint is certainly the most popular distribution that satisfies the above criteria, and uses the 2-year upgrade cycle. It fixes the privacy issues of Ubuntu, it uses a stable package base (it should be secure, I can't see why not), and it is a general-pupose heavyweight distribution.

Well in this case it's clear that the maximum of privacy and security level that we know, cannot be achieved without Wayland, so a DE should have Wayland support!

The problem is that Wayland is still immature and incomplete. However, in time, those issues should be fixed, and this thread is about that.

What about a distro / DE being able to fully utilize the hardware available, shouldn't most people want that too?

It conflicts with your "privacy and security" criterium, as the only way to get full hardware support is to use non-open source binary blobs. You have to choose some compromise in-between.

If a person has a 10-12bit color capable monitor / TV, then the distro / DE should be able to fully use it!
If a person has a Freesync or VRR capable monitor / TV, then the distro / DE should be able to fully use it!
If a person has a HDR capable monitor / TV, then the distro / DE should be able to fully use it!
If a person has a VR headset, then the distro / DE should be able to fully use it!

Technically yes, but this is not urgent. Currently, 95% of people running Linux don't have or don't use any of those mentioned peripherals. Support is likely comming in the future.

Look at KDE Plasma!
It's trying to solve everything!

It can be argued that KDE Plasma is so slow, big, bloated and messy, that it is best avoided. Not everyone buys a new computer every year. Many people insist that an OS should work on their old computer.

KDE Plasma cannot satisfy those users.

Wayland support seems good, but it looks to me that it's too little, too late.

Currently, less than 30% of Linux desktop users are running Wayland, so supporting it is not urgent.

[pracedru]

Linux Mint doesn't deserve the lots of donations they get every month.

I beg to differ. If people have granted this money without coercion it is most certainly deserved.

[kurkosdr]

What is more likely is that SteamOS will become a gaming focused, general-availability OS which Nvidia starts contributing to and build devices for.

This, again. Microsoft are severely underestimating the importance of Valve sponsoring Desktop Linux development, just like they severely underestimated the importance of Google sponsoring Firefox development.

Just like Microsoft let IE stagnate to pursue imaginary Bing ad sales while Firefox was getting a lot better, they are now letting win32 stagnate to pursue imaginary tablet sales with Metro (excuse me, "Modern") while Wine is getting a lot better. This gives the Wine people that other thing they always wanted (other than funding): a static win32 target they can hit.

[MrCooper]

Muffin doesn't need to have all the latest features and improvements from Mutter. It just needs to have enough to provide a usable desktop under wayland and pipewire, and that includes, at a bare minimum, the ability to properly share the display in a web meeting, and to allow remote control over the same meeting.

Mutter and Gnome at this stage allow for everything except the last.

Mutter 45 supports remote control via the libei portal.

[Alexmitter]

Gnome user experience sucks for too many people. That's why Gnome forks appear. JavaScript as used in DE stuff is insane too, but well...

KDE needs massive bugfixing and fixing Baloo slow stuff too.

>"Javascript is bad in DE's"
>Then promotes KDE

You should do some research in what QML/QtQuick really is and what KDE is now largely made of, both the desktop, shell and the applications.