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Originally posted by CochainComplex View PostPop_OS is a perfect replacement for Ubuntu. I think it will replace ubuntu in the near future. (If cosmic is a big break)*
*I know that it is based on ubuntu. But its more or less a matter of time until they will rebase to debian with their selection of packages and cosmic+flatpak
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Originally posted by WereCatf View PostI use Ubuntu on my servers and there it just doesn't matter if some stuff is Snap or not. In fact, for some things Snaps are easier and more reliable than setting everything up and keepin it up-to-date manually.
But it's the work of a minute to set up a cron job to check for and install updates to deb packages every hour.
Fortunately, there are not many snaps on servers I control.
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Originally posted by phwoar View Post
But it's the work of a minute to set up a cron job to check for and install updates to deb packages every hour.
Yes, and you can do that with snaps just as well. There's nothing stopping you from installing newer versions of the snaps whenever you like.
You also ignored the whole "setting everything up and keeping it up-to-date" -- Nextcloud has quite a lot of dependencies and those dependencies may occasionally break. I've got better things to do than constantly monitor Nextcloud-related news to see if an update requires e.g. changing something wrt. PHP and/or Apache2 configuration. Using a snap Apache2, Redis, Nextcloud and whatever else has already been configured to work together well and if any changes to any of the dependencies' configuration is needed, I don't need to know.
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Originally posted by WereCatf View Post
Yes, and you can do that with snaps just as well. There's nothing stopping you from installing newer versions of the snaps whenever you like.
You also ignored the whole "setting everything up and keeping it up-to-date" -- Nextcloud has quite a lot of dependencies and those dependencies may occasionally break. I've got better things to do than constantly monitor Nextcloud-related news to see if an update requires e.g. changing something wrt. PHP and/or Apache2 configuration. Using a snap Apache2, Redis, Nextcloud and whatever else has already been configured to work together well and if any changes to any of the dependencies' configuration is needed, I don't need to know.
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Originally posted by WereCatf View Post
Snaps are containers.
That's why I said proper containerization using docker, podman etc.
Snap is somewhat inbetween packages and real containers and probably best used for single-application containerization, desktops and other simple usecases where a "just simple app" container is enough.
Whole services like nextcloud need proper care and thus vendor-provided, security checked containers for reliable updates.
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Originally posted by reba View Post
Well, you said something about nextcloud and several dependencies you have to keep in synchronization.
Originally posted by reba View Post
Whole services like nextcloud need proper care and thus vendor-provided, security checked containers for reliable updates.
EDIT: I forgot to mention that using Docker, Podman or whatever would still require me to keep track of any changes to Nextcloud that might require changes to the other containers' settings and I'd still have to configure them myself to work well with Nextcloud. Like I said, the snap takes care of all that, which is why I like using it.
I ain't trying to convince anyone else to use them, but I am very definitely saying that they're not as useless as people make them out to be or some sort of a devil spawn.Last edited by WereCatf; 17 September 2023, 07:42 AM.
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Originally posted by WereCatf View PostYou also ignored the whole "setting everything up and keeping it up-to-date" -- Nextcloud has quite a lot of dependencies and those dependencies may occasionally break.
What you're doing is offloading keeping up to date with Apache and PHP and ssh and.. security updates to the vendor of BIG THING, and if you're happy with that, fine.
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