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  • #21
    Originally posted by Volta View Post

    Windows will never reach Linux performance. It would have to be rewritten completely. There's something strange going on in above tests. I bet the final Linux 6.1 would wipe the floor with Windows as usual.
    I love the sweet smell of denial when Linux apologists cannot handle the fact that Linux isn't perfect and hence cannot beat Windows in everything.
    Last edited by mdedetrich; 13 October 2022, 11:36 AM.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by marios View Post
      Rule 0 of Linux benchmarking:
      Use the performance governor, unless you want to measure power related stuff...
      if that's the case then you'll also need to disable CPU scaling on Windows

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Anux View Post
        Win 11 got lucky, if michael had tested large file copy ...
        do you know what mean/average are about? Winning in a test in 100+ doesn't change the final result significantly in any way. And copying large files isn't a typical use case anyway. Does everyone copy big files everyday? Even copying small files may not be common among typical users that only do web browsing at home

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        • #24
          Originally posted by phuclv View Post

          if that's the case then you'll also need to disable CPU scaling on Windows
          Now that would actually be a pretty interesting test. Even more so with power consumption data.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by phuclv View Post

            do you know what mean/average are about? Winning in a test in 100+ doesn't change the final result significantly in any way. And copying large files isn't a typical use case anyway. Does everyone copy big files everyday? Even copying small files may not be common among typical users that only do web browsing at home
            There are also applications like robocopy if you need really fast file transfer. It's not something fundamental to Windows.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by phuclv View Post
              do you know what mean/average are about? Winning in a test in 100+ doesn't change the final result significantly in any way.
              You should read my reply to stormcrow.
              And we already established that it's a bug that might get fixed in the future. Although I'm not to confident looking back at the print server debacle or how Outlook has still the same errors it had 10 years ago and only got more with every version. :[]

              And copying large files isn't a typical use case anyway. Does everyone copy big files everyday?
              You really want to make this argument? It's at least much more common than Dacapo, Chess, LZ4, Y-Cruncher, Prime sieve ...

              The good thing about such a wide test array is, that you can pick out the benches that are most important to your use case and make decisions based on that. If one OS wins because it's massively faster in Chess, Blender, Prime calculation, etc. but you never use those than the mean/average means exactly nothing for you.

              Also there are applications even if they are 2x faster in a benchmark you wouldn't notice because it's already fast enough or your limited by another factor.

              So if we are talking about speed impact on what the average user perceives, file copy is certainly much higher in the list then most of these benchmarks. If I had to wait 2x longer an a file transfer that would already take 2 min, it would bother me much more than a web page taking 30 ms longer to render.

              Originally posted by mdedetrich View Post

              There are also applications like robocopy if you need really fast file transfer. It's not something fundamental to Windows.
              Sure I'm already seeing all those Win users firing up their cmd and fiddling with robocopy.
              Last edited by Anux; 13 October 2022, 11:50 AM.

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              • #27
                I have never understood why these tests configure Windows with HVCI / VBS / MBEC when this is not the default configuration, and when Ubuntu has no equivalent security measure.

                These mitigations are known to significantly affect performance, and it's not exactly an apples-to-apples comparison.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Volta View Post

                  Windows will never reach Linux performance. It would have to be rewritten completely. There's something strange going on in above tests. I bet the final Linux 6.1 would wipe the floor with Windows as usual.
                  The "strange" thing is Ubuntu finally enabled the retbleed protections that Windows had for a while. Windows is getting handicapped in these tests because it's running VBS / HEVC / MBEC-- the entire OS is virtualized for security reasons-- and I'm pretty sure it defaults to filesystem encryption. The fact that Ubuntu is neck and neck with it is a pretty bad indictment of Ubuntu.

                  There are lots of areas where Linux performance is great but there are also a lot of areas where Microsoft has done a ton of work to make it competitive.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by phuclv View Post

                    if that's the case then you'll also need to disable CPU scaling on Windows
                    I completely agree. I have no idea if Windows use scaling by default though...

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by marios View Post
                      Rule 0 of Linux benchmarking:
                      Use the performance governor, unless you want to measure power related stuff...
                      i really don't get it why is this performance governor not the default on all systems ?

                      is it sapotage to make sure microsoft wins benchmarks ?
                      Phantom circuit Sequence Reducer Dyslexia

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