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EPEL Statistics Show Recent Surge In Rocky Linux Usage Past AlmaLinux, CentOS Stream
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Originally posted by skeevy420 View PostWhat happened at the end of November and again in April to cause so many RHEL users to leave?
What happened in February to cause so many users to try and, for the most part, stay on RHEL alternates? Even Oracle Linux got a nice influx of new users fleeing from Red Hat, though it looks like at the end of April or start of May some of them went back to Red Hat.
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Strange that Rocky is ahead of Alma, especially as Alma is actually involved in the community and doing good work that benefits everyone.
I would guess it is because of "better" marketing by Rocky (though they were called out for it because people did not appreciate them slinging mud at eg Alma).
I would guess those following things less closely could choose Rocky "We're Great Everyone Else is Shit" Linux over Alma "Lets build this and work as a community" Linux
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AlmaLinux really are doing a better job IMO. They have beaten Rocky to GA with every release so far IIRC but most importantly they support major version upgrades with Elevate rather than the shitty Rocky/CentOS attitude that you rebuild all of your machines from scratch when a new major release comes out -- because of course everyone keeps all of their machines fully under configuration management (i.e. Ansible, Chef, etc.) so that they are easy to rebuild from scratch every couple of years right?
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I recommend to run their code provided in the screenshots and include "& (epel['sys_age'] > 1)" which is commonly done by the EPEL folks to rule out potential ephemeral/short lived systems that generate a lot of noise. They do come out ahead of AlmaLinux in terms of total system hits, but are behind both RHEL and CentOS Stream to-date. I also removed epel-9 as it's pointless to add in for comparison when Rocky 9.0 isn't available yet.
Carl and Troy gave a presentation on Friday discussing the state of EPEL back on Friday at the CentOS Dojo. I'm just waiting for the recordings to be posted to the CentOS YouTube channel.
Cheers,
MikeLast edited by mroche; 19 June 2022, 07:47 PM.
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Originally posted by yump View PostRocky has a history of underhanded marketing tactics, which might extend to manipulating stats like these. Michael, where did you get the lead for this story?
I would guess those following things less closely could choose Rocky "We're Great Everyone Else is Shit" Linux over Alma "Lets build this and work as a community" Linux
(With that being said, Igor, Carl, GMK could do well just keeping quiet and to themselves, let their projects run and prosper the way they're supposed to. Each project has a set of very competent and strong engineers and users should be choosing what they feel is best for them. It is a shame that everything has to be a competition when it really shouldn't have been in the first place.)
I remember one AlmaLinux vs Rocky Linux comparison thread where CloudLinux support was cited as disadvantage for AlmaLinux. Because you know, CentOS had Red Hat support and Red Hat "killed it" so there is risk that CloudLinux will do the same for AlmaLinux in future. I guess fear for AlmaLinux ending like CentOS has some influence on choose between AlmaLinux and Rocky Linux.
I don't really think that there is risk of killing AlmaLinux for profit in near future. Mostly because AlmaLinux was created to be free distribution compatible with RHEL. If it won't be free then it doesn't really make any sense - why pay for RHEL compatible distro when you can pay for RHEL? Also fun fact is that AlmaLinux is owned by non profit organization compared to Rocky Linux
Alma is a 501c6 and is a non-profit, RESF is a PBC (someone correct me if I'm wrong) which implies it's for-profit but I don't see the RESF selling products or selling anything for that matter. My only comment is that both sides seem to be doing fine and I don't see evidence of one being 501cX vs a PBC being bad for either or. Maybe I'm blind, but both projects are doing well imo. And I can't tell, but I'm under the impression that both sides of a mix of folks either volunteer or on some sort of salary doing work for the respective projects. I don't see anything wrong with this as the other big distributions out there have this also.
I went with Rocky for now too, I do not like distros relying fully on one company as Alma more or less does. Though, they do a better / faster job at the moment than Rocky.
I will look what the future brings.
I have noticed too that Rocky is behind Alma in releasing of 9 (so is Oracle, to be fair. I would've expected Oracle Linux 9 to be out by now and at least beaten Rocky to the punch, but guess not). They're pretty good at releasing minor releases within a few days. Which is good either way for the users of both Alma and Rocky. From what I've heard, Rocky has a new build system that is accompanying the next release and they have a very early release candidate that basically anyone can go and obtain in their chat (that is what I can glean by reading their front page; apparently it's called peridot). They have a whole testing team doing stuff with it now it seems. I might go check it out, but I don't know how much I can really provide them. I guess there's one way to find out. (I'm just a stream and fedora user, so I don't know how well it'd go).
Originally posted by Paradigm Shifter View PostSo Rocky will be the next one RedH^H^H^H... I mean, IBM will buy out?
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I remember 8 December 2020. Anon accounts calling "freeloaders" in /r/centos . Well, the "freeloaders" (sic) created their distro. They are just acting consequently.
In my organisation's opinion, we prefer to save a some dollars to buy Nvidia-A30/A10 to train the future scientists of my country.
Even today it is possible to search for 'rhel freeloaders' or 'centos freeloaders' on Twitter. Sorry Alma, you never voiced an opinion on this. There is no margin for the lukewarm.
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