Debian 11.0 "Bullseye" Gets An August Release Date

[Rook]

We use Debian everyday at my job on the servers as well as on the desktop. It is rock solid and we've experienced around 99.99% uptime.

[reba]

To break a lance here - I can't be arsed to toggle a few options and recompile the kernel. Yes, a can do it but I chose not to do so every thime a dot-update comes around.
Instead I use pecompiled kernels that achieve what I'd do; like xanmod.
For Debian it's very very easy to add their signing key and repository and install the package from there.
Sure, I have to trust this party and to be honest I do not trust them as much as I trust Debian.

$ uname -a
Linux debian 5.13.4-xanmod1-cacule #0~git20210720.662cdfb SMP PREEMPT Tue Jul 20 17:10:54 UTC 2021 x86_64 GNU/Linux

To be honest I probably wouldn't know if I'd run a 1 kHz or 250 Hz kernel or which scheduler is in use... but on an oldish CPU I'll take everything that helps for a litte bit more snappiness.

[Sonadow]

Am already running Debian 11 RC2 on my build machine.

August 14 release date? Hope I can complete all the rebuilds by then so that I can move my other computers to Debian 11 as well.

[Sonadow]

And I sit here and can't start my minecraft server because debian stable doesn't ship any modern java version.

You can't even be arsed to download the latest version of Oracle JRE and set the JAVA_HOME parameters.

[Sonadow]

Debian is cool & all, but only as a server OS!

Tell me, why does [in your opinion the inferior distro] Ubuntu offer me the option of a "lowlatency" kernel, while Debian gives me only one officially supported Linux kernel choice?
(250 Hz + only voluntary preemption, i.e. "highlatency")

You can't even be arsed to toggle a few options and recompile a new kernel?

[Sonadow]

"new" hardware from four years ago not working is a fairly big black mark against Debian in my book.

A Linux user who doesn't know how to build a newer kernel. What, are we in a race to dumb down Linux?

[Charlie68]

Actually, the main reason why I am always using Ubuntu's "lowlatency" kernel flavor is because Google is doing the same across their ecosystem (Android + ChromeOS + Stadia). [Of course I'm talking about a similar kernel config here, so 1000 Hz timer tick + full PREEMPT!] I assume they have their sane reasons for doing so.

The point is that a fully preemptible kernel will always prioritize user-space software, which is what really matters for any (you guessed it) user!

Once you've switched over and then look back, you'll realize (and probably also 'feel') the difference!

What's really sad though is that even among Linux users there are so few of us that seem to care about this... (Just take a look @ https://www.protondb.com/)

Anyway, here is at least a quote from another satisfied "lowlatency" renegade that I could find:

Maybe one day all other Linux believers will see the light, too!

Kernel latency is handled by a configuration parameter, but the idea that if goggle does that is right, it doesn't make any sense.
I also used the low latency kernel and never noticed any differences, unless you make music then in that case it makes sense. I don't know why Google does this and it will have its reasons for doing so, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's better for general use.
But I bet that if I secretly install the vanilla kernel you don't realize it, you will understand it just by looking at the version.

[piorunz]

Latest Debian 11 testing iso.

My spec. is CPU= AMD ryzen 2700x , GPU= AMD Vega 56 ...

I didnt run any apps but my Amd vega 56, red lights constantly on. GPU themp is 74-80 degree. GPU doesnt speed up to cool down GPU!
Be careful you may lose your GPU.

This is amdgpu regression caused by AMD devs. It affects all recent Linux kernels, including 5.13 and 5.10. It's been fixed upstream already and it will land in Debian very soon. Previous Debian 5.10 kernel from few weeks ago is not affected. You have been unlucky to install affected kernel. I have recompiled current Bullseye kernel with one line of code changed which fixes this and it works perfectly fine now.
Arch Linux which uses 5.13 also been affected by this.

[extremesquared]

Is java really not in stable backports? Seems like it would be a prime candidate for backports.
Edit: I guess not. Surprising. Stretch got java backports.

[ebourg]

And I sit here and can't start my minecraft server because debian stable doesn't ship any modern java version.

Debian stable provides the latest LTS version of Java, Debian 10 has OpenJDK 11 which is fine for the Minecraft server up to the version 1.16, and Debian 11 will have OpenJDK 11 and 17 which will run the Minecraft server 1.17 released last month.