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Originally posted by CochainComplex View PostI guess it depends where you live. Here in Germany it is rather well know...but for obvious reasons. BTW it was my first distro.
I don't miss the days of large boxes for a single CD jewel case, but I do miss the days of getting comprehensive physical manuals with software.
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Originally posted by silviumc View PostI really don't understand why SUSE is so underrated. Some people don't even know that SUSE makes Enterprise Linux. They are quite a good distro, they make significant contributions to Linux, why are they so overlooked?
RHEL/CentOS: old software, but ultra stable, production ready; (Overshadows SLES)
Debian: completely community driven and no single big corp can unplug it; (Overshadows OpenSuse Leap if you only upgrade when current release reaches EOL)
Arch: Rolling release, very aggressive in adopting new software; (Overshadows OpenSUSE tumbleweed)
Fedora: Fast moving, but more stable and newbee friendly than Arch; (Overshadows OpenSuse Leap if you upgrade ASAP)
Ubuntu: Initially with good marketing, but 2-yr LTS release period is the sweet-spot for lots of users. You can keep using the same release for 5 yrs or 10 yrs (paid) if you like; (Overshadows OpenSUSE Leap, in all metrics on lifecycle)
Gentoo: Build everything from SOURCE. -march=native! Cut off any unused modules!
The only thing special I could think of about Suse is KDE, while these distros above (usually) pick Gnome, but during the disastrous release of KDE 4, this might be a disadvantage.Last edited by zxy_thf; 22 January 2021, 10:35 AM.
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Originally posted by Leinad View Post
I think it is due to very poor management. SuSE was KDE distro, after Novell buy, it went for Gnome. Novell invested in new applications in Mono, which is only poor copy of .NET, instead of GTK/Qt. Novell went into controversional patent agreement with Microsoft, which forced of creation GPL 3 as a consequence. After desktop is not succesfull, they abandoned most of desktop development. They fired most of openSUSE team when crisis hit the world. Recently, they changed many times release model - from random release, to release every 8 months, to introduce Tumbleweed, to introduce Leap 42 with release every year, introduction of new version Leap 42.1 which has some packages older than previous openSUSE 13.2, than release new leap after less than year, then change versioning again in Leap 15. Leap 42.2 was refresh version with many packages updates, Leap 15.2 was refresh version, but with many packages left old. No consistency, no predictability.
Open days in Czech SUSE company was similar disaster. I was "fan" of SUSE (now partialy dissapointed fan), so I invited my friend when open days event in that company appeared on facebook. How it was? Four SUSE employees went to open days to welcome us, all of them apologized with they forgoten about open days. Three of them at least tried to use some old presentation to say something. The last guy only said, he is tester lead and he is looking to forward to do a boss to a new employee. It is easy guess, that it dit very poor impression on my friend.
But. But technically it is good distro! Installer is so much better than in other distros. I want to cry when try to Fedora or Kubuntu installer. Great gui package manager, YaST in GTK, Qt, terminal version. Both good KDE and Gnome integration. Probably first gui automatic testing (now in other distros too). Tumbleweed with older snapshost repositories, so you can avoid broken releases. Btrfs so way ahead, that Fedora btrfs integration looks like a joke. They have very hard focus on security. Etc...
So, why it feels so underrated? Because great programming guys and poor management guys.
P.S.: I have some hope for a new openSUSE management guy, which do feedback surveys and development meetings and discuss needed improvements.
As I've used encryption, I had to enter my password twice, one time in grub and then again during Linux boot.
After installation I noticed that there are no media codecs installed. So I had to search for a solution and my feeling was that the documentation is not very good to use. When I finally found the instructions, it was overly complicated, lots of text and several commands on the terminal plus some actions in Yast.
As much as I would like to use openSUSE for its stability, btrfs snapshots, automatic distro tools and maintenance, Arch Linux is in many areas ahead like documentation, simplicity and last but not least AUR.
A stupid example is printer installation in openSUSE. You really need to learn do install your printer with Yast and that is not intuitive if you know the KDE printer setup, Cups and driver installation with one command from AUR.
Overall I would hesitate to propose openSUSE to beginners. Maybe openSUSE adoption is hindered the most by lacking focus on the user perspective.
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Originally posted by silviumc View PostI really don't understand why SUSE is so underrated. Some people don't even know that SUSE makes Enterprise Linux. [...] why are they so overlooked?
My quick takeaway is that SUSE is for when: 1. you don't like spending time with rebuilding Gentoo from source regularly, 2. you don't like the Debian discussions or its package manager, 3. you don't like the RedHat way of additional software via cumbersome SCL, Streams and /opt shenanigans, 4. the (IMO) technically juvenile community surrounding Ubuntu.
But people just don't care enough. Few even build their own computer, so what do you expect of their ability to make an educated analysis of multiple distributions.
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Originally posted by R41N3R View Post
After installation I noticed that there are no media codecs installed. So I had to search for a solution and my feeling was that the documentation is not very good to use. When I finally found the instructions, it was overly complicated, lots of text and several commands on the terminal plus some actions in Yast.
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