Debian 10.0 "Buster" Now Available - Powered By Linux 4.19, GNOME + Wayland

[TheOne]

I'm with skeevy420, I remember when I used ubuntu for the first time after trying out Red Hat (when fedora didn't existed) and some years later fedora. On ubuntu it was easy to install video drivers, listen to mp3's, everything seemed to work. Then I started noticing that some software crashed and was buggy, newer releases fixed the issues, but those newer versions where not available on the repository, so I had to install ppa's which after six months made the process of upgrading to newer ubuntu releases a pain, because you had to manually disable all of them... I got tier of that 6 month cycle crap and outdated software that was more unstable than newer stable releases.

Then I heard of debian testing and jumped to that. I noticed that debian testing also had outdated software on the repositories and that I also needed to manually install the newer versions that had the features I needed. So I jumped to Sid, everything worked until some update broke the system and was to much hassle to fiddle with fixing the system since it was unbootable...

So I met ArchLinux and was skeptical at first, after going thru the installation and running it for a couple of months I totally fell in love with it, everything that I needed was up to date, if it wasn't on the main repos I could find it on the AUR with a collection bigger than debian. Nvidia drivers are kept up to date (yes I use Nvidia cards with computers in the office AMD and all CPU's AMD) so I don't have to worry about that stuff. In the more than 5 years I have been using archlinux I have only ran into issues 2 times, and those 2 times were my fault handling AUR packages, compare that to running into issues every six months when upgrading from ubuntu releases, or the dangerous debian sid... I remember when I used to mock archlinux users that bragged so much about their distro of choice and speak of them as minority with a toy linux distro, now I look at the past and it embarrasses me because they where telling the truth!

[nir2142]

if you enjoy outdated software and drivers that make nothing work, sure!

first let me remind you that

-debian its widely used in the business industry .

-you can install the test repo in debian if you feel you need more hardware support

and gaming isn't everything i'm using 3d software called houdini and if you are using 3d software (maya , houdini,...) with linux than new package or bleeding edge distro in most cases its a bad thing and 99% of the 3d users like me they are using centos, debian, ubuntu LTS.

and yes the most common issue in debian for most users its AMD graphics cards support thats the big problem for AND users (not NVIDIA users)
and that an issue that debian team need to solve .

[skeevy420]

If Debian could do one thing it would be to coordinate with AMD, repackage their Pro deb packages for Debian Sid and release it under Non-Free/Contrib with OpenCL working with the latest Pro packages.

Their kernel is too old....AMD is on 5.0 now....

[Marc Driftmeyer]

If Debian could do one thing it would be to coordinate with AMD, repackage their Pro deb packages for Debian Sid and release it under Non-Free/Contrib with OpenCL working with the latest Pro packages.

[skeevy420]

That's in Debian Sid.

I had my rodeo with Siduction and Sid. Worst year of Linux ever. Efff that.

[Marc Driftmeyer]

When you need things like LLVM 9 for AMDGPU optimizations, or, holy shit, Mesa newer than 18.3...ROFL...Debian is going to suck for gaming.

That's in Debian Sid.

[skeevy420]

You aren't supposed to be using Debian stable for gaming. Use Debian testing.

Ewww, gross. I use Manjaro. Up-to-date, stable, & does everything I need with the standard repositories.

[skeevy420]

If you can't make Debian work, you might as well just give up on computing altogether. That's a sad comment.

Do you realize that's the D9VK developer upset that Debian 10 doesn't provide tools that are as up to date as they should be, notably MinGW, for compiling newer versions of Wine so he can do his thing which is providing us assholes a nice DX9 gaming experience using Wine?

Granted, Debian is shipping Wine 4.0 and doesn't need that just yet, but if Debian doesn't provide tools new enough for one's workflow, that is a valid reason to be upset about its package choices on release day.

It's not about making Debian work. We can all do that. It's about Debian, or any OS for that matter, working out of the box without needing to replace major system packages, changing or adding repositories, or other low level system work just so one can do day-to-day stuff.

I don't care for the "use testing" suggestions. Might as well us an actual stable and up-to-date distribution. I do not drink the debianxfce Kool-Aid. Been there, done that, and therefore I now use Arch or Manjaro.

I don't want to come off too hard on Debian because it was my first Linux distro so I hope it does well, but its package choices make a lot of other distributions better suited for desktops and desktop work and Debian better of as a server OS.

[dungeon]

Interesting, I tried a different mirror and didn't have any issue.

What to say there, just wait then

[shmerl]

Well, It should ask you Maybe some mirrors aren't yet updated or something... here it just asked me and no problem after that

Interesting, I tried a different mirror and didn't have any issue. It must be their repo config is messed up.

security.debian.org though is still broken.