Linux Mint Debian Edition 3 Now Shipping

[Flaburgan]

No, they're using Cinnamon on the main edition.

There is no "main edition", each Mint release comes available with Mate and Cinnamon, and XFCE, for both x86 and x64. It even used to include KDE but it has been dropped. See the download page https://linuxmint.com/download.php, there is no incentive to pick Cinnamon instead of the two others.

[Vistaus]

They're using and supporting Mate.

No, they're using Cinnamon on the main edition.

[Flaburgan]

But if Linux Mint wanted to keep the GNOME2 spirit alive, then why didn't just use MATE instead of creating Cinnamon? Note that I'm not against Cinnamon, I'm just saying that if what you say is true, they could've just used MATE.

They're using and supporting Mate.

[Vistaus]

Linus Torvalds is swedish by ethnicity. His family was from Finland's minority who speaks swedish instead of finnish language originally actually... so what you think Linus is - finnish, swedish or american? People considering him now as finnish-american , but Linus says for himself how if he look back he consider him more swedish than finnish as his grandfather was finland swedish

RMS is american but jewish.

Mark Shutleworth is south-african who at one point with a help of russians emigratred to space temporarely

and so on...

Clement seems to be french, but he moved to work and live in Ireland. Linux Mint Ltd is registred in Ireland, so

Mark Shutleworth live on Isle of Man (UK), Clement seems in Westmeath county (Ireland)... that is very near just something more than one hundred miles away

You didn't have to explain all of that to me, I just didn't know Clement moved to Ireland.

[randomizer]

Since Canonical is now best friends with Microsoft and is rapidly stepping in Windows 10's shoes with spyware, data collection and other crap, I really like that Linux Mint devs are offering this alternative.
I'm just curious now how easy it's to install KDE Plasma on it.

Just remember that LMDE is a bit of a "can it be done?" project and doesn't have nearly as much support as the Ubuntu derivative. The Mint team are keeping their options open in case Canonical does something really bad but has no actual plan to change the base of their flagship project.

[dungeon]

Did Clement emigrate to Ireland? 'Cause last time I checked, he was still French...

Linus Torvalds is swedish by ethnicity. His family was from Finland's minority who speaks swedish instead of finnish language originally actually... so what you think Linus is - finnish, swedish or american? People considering him now as finnish-american , but Linus says for himself how if he look back he consider him more swedish than finnish as his grandfather was finland swedish

RMS is american but jewish.

Mark Shutleworth is south-african who at one point with a help of russians emigratred to space temporarely

and so on...

Clement seems to be french, but he moved to work and live in Ireland. Linux Mint Ltd is registred in Ireland, so

Mark Shutleworth live on Isle of Man (UK), Clement seems in Westmeath county (Ireland)... that is very near just something more than one hundred miles away

[Vistaus]

Nope, Mint was born and created to deal with shitty US laws (to take advantage of "not all laws works same way everywhere") Since they are from Europe (Ireland in particular, there these laws does not work) they started by providing blob codecs, mp3 support, flash, etc... everything what was missing from Ubuntu default and even illegal (particulary in US) to be shipped at the time

Only many years later on they started doing their own tools and UIs, Gnome forks, etc...

Did Clement emigrate to Ireland? 'Cause last time I checked, he was still French...

[Vistaus]

If there is someone to blame for this specific case we can blame Ubuntu. Linux Mint was born when Ubuntu switched from GNOME2 to Unity.

But if Linux Mint wanted to keep the GNOME2 spirit alive, then why didn't just use MATE instead of creating Cinnamon? Note that I'm not against Cinnamon, I'm just saying that if what you say is true, they could've just used MATE.

[ermo]

Debian as project spans every use case from boring servers to crazy, "just-so" configured programmer workstations. That (lack of? Overly broad?) focus is bound to yield more friction when optimizing for a specific use case (i.e. desktop-only for instance).

I get that duplication of effort is a thing, but from a management perspective (in a general sense), I'd guess that it's easier for an organization to deliver a well-honed product to its target audience if it can relentlessly optimize for said target audience. Forking an Open Source codebase such as Debian initially lowers the barrier to entry in the semi-boutique/derivative/niche OS space.

But this initial cost is small compared to the amortized lifetime cost of maintaining a fork, making its maintenance mostly pointlessly duplicated effort in the long run. There's obviously more than one side to issue at hand I guess.

[Cerberus]

Right, nothing stops you.

Nothing stops them from being rejected cause some guy in charge there didn't like it, either.

A lot of time "patches are not welcome" is a much closer truth to open source in general, because it doesn't align with their shitty vision. Maybe you'd understand if you actually contributed anything anywhere.

You guys are nothing if not predictable in your reactions. Yawn. Not even entertaining anymore, just boring.