A Look At The Changes & New Features Of GNOME 3.24

[danielnez1]

there is a taskbar extension for that
all your power is here https://extensions.gnome.org/

If people haw to use JavaScript extensions (reliant on virtually non-existent documentation) in order to get basic functionality, than clearly the system is broken.

Nice review. GNOME had another great development cycle. They moved further ahead of the competition.

If you compare it to Win 3.1 then ok. However, even Win 3.1 is more usable in few things. Gnome is bloated, slow and terrible mess. What's current language developers should use for writing gnome applications? Vala? Dead. Python? Damn slow. C#? Slow and bloated crap. Thanks God we have KDE and Unity.

[garnacho]

I also use GNOME Wayland every day. In fact, these days I struggle to use anything else. On the rare occasion a game, usually WINE based like Skyrim, doesn't play nicely with XWayland (mouse issue) I just launch a lightweight X wm like WindowMaker in a separate TTY and play the game there.

FWIW, https://lists.freedesktop.org/archiv...er/051819.html

[pal666]

it's so frustrating not being able to see all my open apps without having to click anything

there is a taskbar extension for that

I prefer the power to do whatever i want

all your power is here https://extensions.gnome.org/

[pal666]

1. Mutter hangs a lot even on a R9 280 on Dual 4k+1440p monitor setup, even with AMDGPU kernel driver.

amdgpu driver does not even support r9 280 officially

[ebassi]

Can nautilus and gedit run with superuser rights under wayland or not yet?

Why would you run hundreds of thousands of lines of code that have not been properly audited for security as a super user is beyond me. It's a terrible, terrible idea.

Nautilus and gedit allow reading and writing files owned by root using the admin:// URI in GVFS, which does local privilege escalation only for the file/directory involved, instead of running your whole app, the plugins, the extension modules, etc. as root.

[Delgarde]

By design Wayland does not allow graphical applications to run via sudo.
The applications must make use of Polkit (formerly known as PolicyKit).
I don't know whether Nautilus and Gedit support that yet.

Yep, it's a different model required under Wayland. You can't just run the applications as a different user to get the permissions of that user, because doing so will lose permission to access the display. Instead, the apps must themselves support desktop mechanisms for privileges... if you try to edit a file or view a directory you don't have permission for, the app can prompt you to obtain those permissions.

That said, there are still problem with that approach. If I'm installing some piece of 3rd-party software that has a GUI installer, the installer often needs to be run as root, or as whatever user the app will run as. And I doubt the likes of Oracle are in a hurry to update their tools for modern desktop compatibility...

[uid313]

Can nautilus and gedit run with superuser rights under wayland or not yet?

By design Wayland does not allow graphical applications to run via sudo.
The applications must make use of Polkit (formerly known as PolicyKit).
I don't know whether Nautilus and Gedit support that yet.

I use Ubuntu 17.04 (daily) and unfortunately Nautilus and Gedit (also GNOME Terminal) are old versions, not 3.24.

[uid313]

While it looks good and it's now stable and feature rich, i really can't adapt to the new paradigm.
I swear i really tried, but it's so frustrating not being able to see all my open apps without having to click anything, or taking twice the steps to do a simple task, or having usefull features shaved off of software like the file browser... you get the point.

For me, all KDE needs to do is grab their start menu and instead of having the bottom tabs horizontaly disposed as they do and place them vertically at the left and voilá! The whole DE gets fixed...

The Gnome devs chose the Apple way: assume the users are computer iliterates...
There are people who like 'simpler' DEs with less stuff to worry about.
I prefer the power to do whatever i want and that means i have to chose a different DE.

Just use the GNOME Classic session via the classic extensions. It makes your GNOME 3 feel and behave pretty much like GNOME 2 except that applications now have headerbars. You get a top and a bottom bar, with Application and Places on your top, and all your open applications on the bottom bar.

[Okki]

am I the only one finding totally annoying the size/height of the windows top bar (title bar?)?.. on laptops it takes way too much vertical estate!

GNOME design: saving space since 2009 (or so)

If you compare Nautilus and Caja (MATE file manager), the Nautilus top bar takes three times less space...