KDE Plasma 5.9 Being Released In One Month With Many New Features

[birdie]

I'm not sure why people are focusing on birdie - I'm not 100% sure if he's intentionally trolling, but he is known to mostly spew comments of irrational, subjective, or exaggerated FUD and hate.

Wow, I've just added you to my ignore list. This is the worst insult I've heard in my entire life. Also, it's the least factual. But then you're no one and also now that I know that you're full of shit I won't see your posts any longer.

Seems to me most people who hate KDE are:
* Basing their experiences from the first few releases and insist the same problems exist today
* Have no clue how to use it and hate it because it does something they don't like, even though most of the time that can be addressed
* Have no clue how to use it and hate it because it doesn't do something they wish it did, even though it likely does

I don't understand how people can be Linux users and not spend the time and effort to learn a major user interface, so instead they choose to complain about it. Yes, KDE can be a bit overwhelming with features sometimes. There are definitely better ways to approach some things. Iit certainly is not lean. But when you can't even figure out how to disable something with a stock minimal KDE install, maybe, just a little bit, you're the problem.

Every DE has it's pros and cons, and talking crap about one because you don't know how to use it or doesn't suit your personal tastes is ridiculous. KDE is ideal for power-users. GNOME is good for those who just want a straight-forward, stable, modern, and clean interface. LXQt is great for those who want no frills. Unity is supposed to be effective and consistent among varying screen sizes and input devices.

Indeed you're full of shit.

Let's compare KDE 3.5.10 to brand new shiny hipster friendly KDE 5:

The former is stable as hell and never crashes on me even though I've replaced pretty much everything under the hood.
The latter crashes/freezes under so many conditions it's just mind boggling. Visit KDE bugzilla for insight.

The former is extremely snappy and very light on CPU/memory.
The latter consumes over 500MB while running nothing.

Maybe, just maybe KDE5 offers some new irreplaceable features? Hell, no, KDE 3.5.10 still has more useful applications and the ones I have in KDE 3.5 often have more features than their new counterparts. Do we have KNetStats for KDE 5? No. Maybe KSensors? No. Maybe KWeather? Yes, a brain dead plasmoid. Maybe transparent Kicker? Um, no, nothing at all - create your own theme please. Maybe a fast start menu which doesn't suck? No. KDE 5 devs refused to add back the XEmbed systray protocol for over 2,5 years which meant that all the application which used the old X systray protocal were invisible under KDE5. Wow.

You perfectly represent the new generation of dumb idiots who believe that less features equal more features. Who think that everything must be in shades of grey. Who believe that controls and text must all look the same. Because of people like you who run corporations we have abominations like Windows 8/10, ribbon UI, iOS 7 and higher, Gnome 3, Unity, KDE 5 and other totally unusable shit.

Look how beautiful KDE 3.5.10 is.
Look how pathetic KDE 5 is. Let's make everything gray because ... because we think it's cool.

Yes, I'm a troll. The sanest troll around I guess. Most others readily swallow and praise whatever shit they are offered and create all sorts of excuses to vindicate the taste of shit.

[bug77]

And funny enough, after posting about not having issues with KDE glitches, I upgrade Neon to 5.8.5 and the text in Konsole gets messed up. Yup, that's the KDE I love

[cj.wijtmans]

The screens keep switching on my multi monitor setup. Very annoying, has it been fixed?

[Luke_Wolf]

Only if doing the same for Gnome or Xfce or whatever results in significantly less core dumps over the same period of time.

I think the heart of his complaint really is that he thinks that they should be written in some other unspecified language. Which there's some value to the idea of having things based in some type-safe language, but... at the end of the day all of the DEs and toolkits for Linux are written in or C or C++ other than Swing but nobody likes Swing apps. So... It's a rather useless complaint unless the author of the complaint wants to write his own toolkit, and DE, which should probably be wayland only so that he can avoid calling into C code as much as possible.

[bug77]

Adding the line:

* - core unlimited

to /etc/security/limits.conf results in regular appearance of new core dumps from various KDE applications/services. This testifies against the stability of KDE software (and of the Qt toolkit (and of the C/C++ language)).

Only if doing the same for Gnome or Xfce or whatever results in significantly less core dumps over the same period of time.

[Luke_Wolf]

Adding the line:

* - core unlimited

to /etc/security/limits.conf results in regular appearance of new core dumps from various KDE applications/services. This testifies against the stability of KDE software (and of the Qt toolkit (and of the C/C++ language)).

That's nice and all, but rewriting The World in your pet language is a no-go, and would you kindly point me to the DE on Linux that is written in your pet language and included in mainstream distributions using a toolkit written in said pet language.

If it doesn't exist... well I guess you need to start writing code as opposed to complaining on forums, don't you?

[BangoMopar]

An OS itself is OK to occupy 1Gig of RAM? Are you fucking insane?

I'm now running KDE 3.5.10

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I do like the Trinity project, and you're free to have your own opinion here, but I don't think you can directly compare KDE 3 and Plasma 5. Unless you're comparing DE's from two different computing eras.

When will they start working on decreasing memory usage, fixing segfaults and visual glitches?

It uses much less memory than workable winblows 7 and runs far more smooth.

[schmidtbag]

I'm not sure why people are focusing on birdie - I'm not 100% sure if he's intentionally trolling, but he is known to mostly spew comments of irrational, subjective, or exaggerated FUD and hate.

[boxie]

When will they start working on decreasing memory usage, fixing segfaults and visual glitches?

personally I have not had many segfaults on any desktop I have run in the last year, and I cannot remember one in my kde neon components. That's not to say that are not there (no code is perfect) I just have not encountered any.

I have had some visual glitches, but I am not sure if that is driver related or not (laptop, prime, suspend/resume - you get the picture)

for the last 6 months neon has be rock solid on my desktop with the only problems being related to running the padoka ppa.

Wayland support on multihead though is not usable. I am looking forward to seeing what fixes 5.9 brings to the table.

So to answer your question: they have been.

As for memory usage - how much memory do you think (as a qualified windowing manager programmer) is acceptable to provide a full featured desktop?