There is of course a way to install KDE desktops with Debian - there are also KDE install iso images but I would just install my distro: KANOTIX - already optimized in serveral things, backports added where needed/useful and of course using KDE - currently 3.5.5, but that will change later.
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Originally posted by JadeIt is obvious to anyone with eyes that KDE has always been unnecessarily been delayed.
Debian tries to force GNOME upon you. GNOME is the default.
It is much more difficult to install KDE than GNOME.
Debian consciously hinders KDE uptake.
The same pathetic excuse was used every time. WINE is not stable enough to be in TESTING.
They decided not to include KDE 4,... no surprise there.Last edited by d2kx; 26 June 2008, 11:24 AM.
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I applaud Debian for not including KDE4 in Lenny. Fedora's neglect of KDE was obvious, and now that they're trying to rectify it, it gives a new meaning to unstable (bleeding-edge distros should be the last to go KDE4-only). Even Mandriva's KDE4, while polished, seems somewhat iffy. Only openSUSE's KDE4 seems usable at all, and even there, KDE3 is much more usable on a day-to-day basis.
Unless one is using it for development purposes, KDE3 makes far more sense to run right now. It is much more user-friendly and less buggy. From what I have seen KDE 4.1 will be a good step forward on the usability and stability front, but I'm guessing it will be KDE 4.2 when it really comes into its own and is worth switching to from KDE3.
In terms of running KDE at all, Debian's KDE is among the most pleasant, and as easy as 'aptitude install kde' to get even if you don't use the KDE CD1 (I did the net-install).
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Originally posted by d2kxI'd say it is easier to install KDE than Gnome.
First, very few people new to Debian, even find out there is a KDE CD.
One of the "accidental" acts of sabotage is to not include synaptic (a user friendly apt) on the KDE CD.
This means that any new user installing from the CD will give up (if they got this far) at the point of installing software not on the CD.
By the way the Debian installer has been flawed and buggy for years but Debian always insisted on releasing it with bugs.
Originally posted by d2kxGnome is always broken in the development version
Originally posted by d2kxOriginally posted by JadeThey decided not to include KDE 4,... no surprise there.
But remember,... there is supposedly no bias against KDE.Last edited by Jade; 26 June 2008, 08:31 PM.
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That would be a sad indictment on the state of Debian since it is not that easy to install KDE.
By the way the Debian installer has been flawed and buggy for years but Debian always insisted on releasing it with bugs.Originally posted by http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/To install Debian testing, we recommend you use the lenny beta2 release of the installer, after checking its errata.
Synaptic is not included in the default KDE install because it's a GTK application. With KDE you get Adept and Kpackage (not to mention aptitude itself). You're perfectly welcome to run "aptitude install synaptic" if you so choose. Just like you're perfectly welcome to install KDE4 RIGHT NOW out of experimental. If you did you wouldn't be complaining about KDE4 not being included in Lenny because - perish the thought - it's just not ready yet, and it wasn't ready in time for Lenny's release schedule.
there is no bias against KDE.
Pretty much everything is SID has bugs. They also call it UNSTABLE eh. When those bugs have been wittled down to the point where a package meets the release criteria, and has lived in SID for 10 days in that state, it gets moved into testing. Every so often, testing becomes the next Debian stable (with ZERO bugs for every package being the criteria for stable IIRC). KDE4 simply doesn't currently meet the criteria for a Debian stable release.
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The following makes it clear that Debian is LYING when it says that large numbers of bugs are keeping KDE4 out of the Lenny release at the end of the year.
Yes Debian is LYING.
KDE4 bugs according to Debian:
(0 bugs) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable
(0 bugs) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable
(0 bugs) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable
(1 bugs) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable
(2 bugs) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable
(1 bugs) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable
(3 bugs) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable
(0 bugs) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable
(0 bugs) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable
The following packages from KDE4 do not even have a bug report page of their own.
The following packages from KDE4 link to the bug report of version 3.5.9-1 in unstable
The bug report link on the KDE4 packages page redirects you to the bug report of version 3.5.9-1,....
So we assume that NO bugs have been found in the KDE4 version of the package.
http://packages.debian.org/experimental/kdeartwork (KDE4)
links to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable
http://packages.debian.org/experimental/kdeedu (KDE4)
links to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable
http://packages.debian.org/experimental/kdegames (KDE4)
links to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable
http://packages.debian.org/experimental/kdeadmin (KDE4)
links to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable
http://packages.debian.org/experimental/kdegraphics (KDE4)
links to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable
http://packages.debian.org/experimental/kdemultimedia (KDE4)
links to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable
http://packages.debian.org/experimental/kdenetwork (KDE4)
links to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable
http://packages.debian.org/experimental/kdepim (KDE4)
links to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable
http://packages.debian.org/experimental/kdeutils (KDE4)
links to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable
So a total of SEVEN KDE4 bugs are known to (ie recorded by) Debian :
THESE 7 BUGS APPARENTLY KEEP KDE4 OUT OF LENNY.
KDE4 only exists in experimental. Hence the links to the experimental branch.
Gnome bugs according to Debian:
(21 bugs) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...e;dist=testing
(9 bugs) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...t;dist=testing
(28 bugs) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...s;dist=testing
(5 bugs) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...e;dist=testing
(4 bugs) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...s;dist=testing
(4 bugs) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...s;dist=testing
At this point we have 71 bugs from just these few gnome packages from Lenny (testing).
Testing will be released as Lenny later in the year.
These 71 bugs will NOT keep gnome from being released in Lenny.
How the 7 bugs reported by Debian in KDE4 will keep KDE4 out of lenny.
Gnome will be in Lenny because in just a few of its packages Debian reports 71 bugs.
KDE4 will NOT be in Lenny because in all of its packages Debian reports 7 bugs.
But remember,... there is (supposedly) no bias against KDE.Last edited by Jade; 27 June 2008, 10:11 PM.
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What the hell are you doing there, Jade?
You're posting bugreports from some projects that do not belong to KDE and the bugreports of KDE 3.5.9 from Sid, not a single KDE4 bug report. Furthermore, you're posting only a few of the many Gnome packages and this time you are using the bug reports from testing instead of Sid? And on top of that, we are talking about upstream bugs, not packaging related bugs which most of the Debian bug reports are.
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Originally posted by d2kx View PostWhat the hell are you doing there, Jade?
The bug report link on the packages page redirects you to the bug report of version 3.5.9-1,....
So we assume that NO bugs have been found in the KDE4 version of the package.
The comment above makes it clear that Debian is LYING when it says that large numbers of bugs are keeping KDE4 out of the Lenny release at the end of the year.
"And on top of that, we are talking about upstream bugs, not packaging related bugs which most of the Debian bug reports are."
You mean that Debian doesn't even try to fix real bugs,... just packaging bugs,.... then there is absolutely no excuse from why Debian is so often soooooo out of date,.... except that they just want to be out of date,....Last edited by Jade; 27 June 2008, 10:18 PM.
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