GNOME 3.14 Officially Released

[TheBlackCat]

But the desktop components that matter got commits during the last days/weeks/months. And that's what matters.

A lot of the commits in the last year are translation updates, and many of the rest are trivial (like fixing compiler warnings, version bumps, renames, and "remove unneeded files").

[schmalzler]

Most stuff has not been touched since 3 years. How is that ?fairly alive???

Then have another look: those projects are stored under the category "archive" which means "outdated, stays for historical reasons". Plus some bindings and apps. Bindings usually get auto-generated. Maybe those are stable enough/devs are happy with them.

But the desktop components that matter got commits during the last days/weeks/months. And that's what matters.

[Awesomeness]

Looks fairly active to me: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/ http://git.xfce.org/

Most stuff has not been touched since 3 years. How is that ?fairly alive???

I also did not write ?completely dead? but ?practically dead? which it is with zero releases, not even bugfix releases, since April 2012. Or are users nowadays expected to crawl through git?

[schmalzler]

@blackiwid
Probably missing snappiness is caused by bad vsync? I think I remember sluggish scrolling before I started using compton.
Concerning the rest of your points:
Yes, lua isn't lisp. And lua isn't .ini. But lua+awesome offers great flexibiliy - which I just mention because you explicitly asked for some kind of lisp-programmable WM. And writing a tiling WM in about 600 lines of code should be considered awesome

[blackiwid]

That won't work AFAIK. WM and Compositor are built into gnome-shell, so it's not possible to replace them with somthing else/better.

Concerning tiling WM: I am using awesome wm. You basicay have to write your own WM using lua (instead of elisp), so you can do really great stuff! The default config is a good start. Together with compton it's an awesome experience

At least with my Zacate System as far as I remember Awesome feeled a bit to slow or it was to buggy, it did the job but i3wm was a bit better, think also liked the default key bindings better, and the config structure. Can u evaluate small portion of code in your config like u would do in emacs? If not I prefer elisp

The whole reload anything shotgun aproach is to undynamic for me, seen better dont want to go back from that

They both are pretty similar, but in i3wm I have 250 lines of config and in awesome 600 lines, that does more or less the same. i3wm feeled a bit snappier, I am not so interested in learning lua, also the doku/wiki of awesome is pretty much hit or miss, some stuff there works not.

And even if you look on updates, i3wm has every 4-6 months a major release, while the last major release for awesome is 22 months old, even the last minor release 3.5.5 is 5 months old, while the last release of i3wm only 3.
Of course it depends on how big the changelogs are of that releases, but even that does not mean much if u use a language which is more vorbose u get more changes and even if not u can have useless changes.
But even u can argue about the quality of the numbers the quantities and dates speak for i3wm: 230 commits this year while awesome had 75.
I would have to checkout both trees and diff it with --stat to see how much lines that was but even if awesome would be ahead there, it also says not to much.

They are both pretty close, like lets say u compare which is the better gnome distro fedora or archlinux (its not only gnome distro but has a current gnome availible too).

This numbers beside, i3wm feeled a bit more snappier and I think I liked more how it handels dualhead or more than that, another monitor is more or less only another workspace, thats great becuase u dont need to learn special commands to switch monitor or workspace, because its the same. Thats such small feature that matters if in general both do besides that more or less the same good job.

And as not-lua developer the config file was easier to manage. But for tiling wm beginners, I think awesome is the best no question about that. And maybe it works better with stronger machines also for geeks. Of course also many geeks use awesome

And the dwm guys laught about me, because I dont write C code and compile my own fork of dwm all the time and my i3wm is so slow But I have no Pentium 90 anymore so I think it does not matter

[uid313]

Does GNOME fully support Wayland yet?
If not, what is left?

Does GNOME Flashback session work on Wayland yet?
If not, will it ever?

[curaga]

Haha! What use is a minimise button when there is no task bar...?

I can't wait for 3.14 to appear in the openSUSE Gnome STABLE repo.

They clearly intend it to act as an Android-ish exit button that does not really exit. Then when you try to start the program again from its icon, it should detect the running instance and pop it up.

/hopefully sarcasm

[schmalzler]

Maybe I could mix i3wm or another tiling wm with gnome-shell the tiling-wm plugins are just bad cant use them.

That won't work AFAIK. WM and Compositor are built into gnome-shell, so it's not possible to replace them with somthing else/better.

Concerning tiling WM: I am using awesome wm. You basicay have to write your own WM using lua (instead of elisp), so you can do really great stuff! The default config is a good start. Together with compton it's an awesome experience

[cbamber85]

those idiots actually insist on not having minimize/maximize buttons by default, wow.

Haha! What use is a minimise button when there is no task bar...?

I can't wait for 3.14 to appear in the openSUSE Gnome STABLE repo.

[Nobu]

Xfce is practically dead. Just look at http://xfce.org/about/news/?lang=en
No news since the April 2012 release.

Looks fairly active to me: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/ http://git.xfce.org/