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Originally posted by m4tx View PostWhat's the advance of writing such an app (you can hardly create a Qt Creator project for Firefox and you still cannot use GUI designer) in Qt, only for Linux? I cannot understand that recent "LOL WHY GTK, USE QT DUMBS" (fanboys?) yelling...
On Windows, a lot of people uses pure WinAPI for building GUI and no one complains. On OS X, there's Cocoa. And no one complains. How is the desktop Linux different?
IntelliJ IDEA uses Swing, so how is that realated to Qt?
By the way - are you able to achieve something what's called "Client Side Decorations" with Qt? I think it's pretty important here - since on every platform except Linux, it's already present in web browsers (I mean, tabs in the titlebar).
GTK+ is actually gaining steam and GNOME UI is evolving to being what KDE fans don't want: A quality, consistent experience.
KDE fans are the RadioShack/Frys Electronics fans who think their toolkit is about walking into a massive warehouse of parts and assembling how they want.
It results in a bag of hurt UI.
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Originally posted by m4tx View PostWhat's the advance of writing such an app (you can hardly create a Qt Creator project for Firefox and you still cannot use GUI designer) in Qt, only for Linux? I cannot understand that recent "LOL WHY GTK, USE QT DUMBS" (fanboys?) yelling...
On Windows, a lot of people uses pure WinAPI for building GUI and no one complains. On OS X, there's Cocoa. And no one complains. How is the desktop Linux different?
Originally posted by m4tx View PostIntelliJ IDEA uses Swing, so how is that realated to Qt?
Originally posted by m4tx View PostBy the way - are you able to achieve something what's called "Client Side Decorations" with Qt? I think it's pretty important here - since on every platform except Linux, it's already present in web browsers (I mean, tabs in the titlebar).
And, as far as I'm aware, you can draw CSD with Qt on Windows and OSx. It's kind of a pain to try and account for all of the window managers on Linux (For example, GTK's CSDs only really work on Mutter/Muffin and look screwy on other WMs). I tried asking the Cinnamon devs to collaborate with the KDE guys (and maybe a few others) to try and come up with a standard CSD API or something that was REAL and not this pseudo-CSD that Gnome is giving us, but I guess it didn't work out (they just implemented support for Gnome's CSDs and closed the issue)
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Originally posted by mark45 View PostNo, I just recall reading his blog years ago how he's doing the heavy lifting of porting to Gtk3 and needs contributions and inviting people to participate or at least pay him.
And those 57 contributors are really mostly ghosts, otherwise why the hell after like 4 years and 57 contributors is he still stuck with Gtk2??
gtk3 port isn't even a priority until everything has been converted to using GEGL / high bit depths [work that isn't complete] + a bunch of other stuff is done... IIRC, there is also an issue with libgimpwidgets and some 3rd-party plugins [that will probably need to be reworked]. Barring that stuff, you'd probably already have a gtk3 port - but it's not "high priority", when compared to actual 'features'. the higher priority stuff is significantly more important than porting to gtk3. [gtk3 port will only be important, once the wayland switch gets closer..].
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How is Mozilla Shumway progressing? Flash won't work on Wayland, and in order to switch to GTK3, Shumway has to be a drop in replacement. I tried it a while ago, and it didn't work for video for example (which is probably 90%+ use cases for Flash these days).
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Originally posted by Marc Driftmeyer View PostStop talking and invest hundreds of millions into Mozilla to make it so. I'm sure they clearly haven't a clue about the great Qt.
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Originally posted by m4tx View PostWhat's the advance of writing such an app (you can hardly create a Qt Creator project for Firefox and you still cannot use GUI designer) in Qt, only for Linux?
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Originally posted by Rallos ZekAnd GTK 3.12 jumped the shark with forcing client side decorations. Now if you use an GTK 3 program you cannot have your window manager manage the window anymore. What kind stupid shit is that? That made a lot people sit up realize that GTK is fucking itself over.
HOWEVER, the fact that CSDs don't/didn't have a reliable (or any...) fallback for non-Gnome/Gnome-based (e.g. Cinnamon) window managers was horrible planning and showed exactly how much they care about non-Gnome programmers... AKA not a bit.
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Originally posted by Rallos ZekAnd GTK 3.12 jumped the shark with forcing client side decorations. Now if you use an GTK 3 program you cannot have your window manager manage the window anymore. What kind stupid shit is that? That made a lot people sit up realize that GTK is fucking itself over.
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