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Originally posted by prodigy_ View PostRed Hat is behind systemd and Red Hat is very much like Microsoft - a heartless power hungry corporation. Their current intentions are obvious - they want a steel grip on the Linux userland and by now they pretty much have it. What their next step will be is less clear. They may take conservative approach and simply ask for a license fee but then again they could also come up with something more "creative". My bet is on the latter. Every systemd fanboy who is cheering today will cry tomorrow. Except the paid shills that is.
And "windowisation" means Linux - again thanks to systemd - becomes less and less of a *NIX and more and more of a crappy Windows-wannabe. Dbus and journald are classic examples of how we're losing control over the OS, of how things that made UNIX (and, by extension, Linux) great are thrown out of the window for no reason.
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You know what the main difference between Red Hat monetization conspiracy theories and Canonical monetization conspiracy theories is? The fact that Red Hat is actually making money (and has been doing so consistently for the the past fifteen to twenty years) purely on the back of free software.
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Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View PostYou know what the main difference between Red Hat monetization conspiracy theories and Canonical monetization conspiracy theories is? The fact that Red Hat is actually making money (and has been doing so consistently for the the past fifteen to twenty years) purely on the back of free software.
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Originally posted by Luke View PostThat means any attempt to demand license fees for use of systemd would be met by forking the code.
It's extremely easy to get entangled in the systemd cobweb. But getting out is going to be very complicated and very time consuming.Last edited by prodigy_; 04 June 2014, 04:35 AM.
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Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View PostYou know what the main difference between Red Hat monetization conspiracy theories and Canonical monetization conspiracy theories is? The fact that Red Hat is actually making money (and has been doing so consistently for the the past fifteen to twenty years) purely on the back of free software.
/facepalm
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Originally posted by prodigy_ View PostYeah, reminding people that corporations are not charities equals being a conspiracy theorist.
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Originally posted by prodigy_ View PostForks don't happen by magic. First of all, you need people to maintain a project of such scale. Do you keep up with the news? systemd is 550k lines already. It's horribly bloated but even if the first post-fork goal will be (as it should be) trimming all the fat it's still a lot of work. You can't just comment out everything you don't want. And this is especially true in case of systemd because the developers went out of their way to ensure it's a dependency for as much other stuff as possible.
It's extremely easy to get entangled in the systemd cobweb. But getting out is going to be very complicated and very time consuming.
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Originally posted by Vim_User View PostThere are a lot of distributions using it and contributing to it, even commercial ones like Suse. Do you think it is written by Red Hat developers alone?
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Originally posted by prodigy_ View PostYeah, reminding people that corporations are not charities equals being a conspiracy theorist. What's next? Does saying that people breath air or that summer comes after spring make one a tinfoil hat wearer too?
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As for the fact that they have such a dominating presence in terms of code submissions, project leadership, and Linux technical innovation, that has also been true for the past fifteen to twenty years. I am afraid your nightmare has already arrived, and been in force for almost two decades. That is of course not meant to downplay other contributors, corporate or otherwise, who contribute to the Linux ecosystem - something which you do whenever you claim that systemd is a Red Hat only project.
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