Since for some reason this thread has turned into a war about Nautilus removing features and how that makes it "less cluttered" for non-power-users, allow me to introduce you all to Nemo:
Amazingly simple, definitely easy to use (even if you're a "newbie"), yet retains all of the old features of Nautilus AND added a few extra. The only real change from "default" is that I changed the view from "Icon" to "Compact" and added a few folders to the sidebar.
(icons are Numix-Circle, GTK theme is Numix)
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Since a lot of people called it cluttered, look, I made Kate into the new gedit: https://i.imgur.com/3oWntRf.png
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Originally posted by TemplarGR View PostWell you see, the problem is yours. What is better, to provide a fully featured and cluttered file manager as the default for everyone, or provide a basic usable one for the masses, and let the developer pick another more advanced tool to do his job?
Every single file manager, web browser, file picker, out there (except the new Nautilus 3.8+) accepts keyboard input for jumping to the next filename that starts with the typed letters. Why would Gnome devs think that it would be a good idea to break that expectation and instead do a recursive search that could return multiple results that all look the same and don't have any kind of context to point at which is the right one? How is this helping new and old users discover the files they want? Here's a hint: it isn't.
Originally posted by TemplarGR View PostThat is the main problem with Linux geeks. They think that what they need should be the default for everyone. And then they complain that Linux doesn't get more market share...
Originally posted by TemplarGR View PostIt is better to have i light clean environment for everyone and let advanced users add to it, than to force a kitchen-sink approach to everyone...
Originally posted by TemplarGR View PostGnome devs are right...
Disclaimer: I used to like the direction Gnome 3 was going until the removal of type-ahead find. Yep, just that one decision was enough to sway me to the other side.
PS: "The problem is yours" really sounds like "you're holding it wrong".
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Originally posted by devius View PostThere's a reason for that, and what you describe is actually the problem: the removal of features that power users need. Maybe your girlfriend doesn't care about having a fully featured file manager, with the ability to split windows, quickly jump to a file by typing a few letters of its filename, or being able to navigate through the file system tree, but most power users do need these features. I mean, it's not like it's impossible to do work without them, it's just that it's a lot more trouble than it should be. And why? Because 1 or 2 Nautilus maintainers (literally, I watched the bug reports about some of the key features that were removed) are convinced those features aren't needed, despite a few dozen other developers (even Gnome developers) telling them they need them and use them every day.
That's the main problem: not listening to what your users are saying. They have the right to ignore users all they want, but the result will be a reduction in the installed user base, mainly within the developer community. I know not everybody will flee Gnome, but it will become less and less attractive to developers.
Well you see, the problem is yours. What is better, to provide a fully featured and cluttered file manager as the default for everyone, or provide a basic usable one for the masses, and let the developer pick another more advanced tool to do his job?
That is the main problem with Linux geeks. They think that what they need should be the default for everyone. And then they complain that Linux doesn't get more market share...
Here is the reality: Most people on Earth don't need an advanced file manager. Even i don't need it, and i am a developer. Most of the time i prefer a nice clean file manager to an advanced one. If and when i want something more, i know where to get it, and forgive me for asking, but you do know you can install different file managers in Gnome, right?
It is better to have i light clean environment for everyone and let advanced users add to it, than to force a kitchen-sink approach to everyone... Gnome devs are right...
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Originally posted by Pawlerson View PostThe problem with gnome is obvious. It's messed up DE that tries to copy android and ios. It seems they don't see the difference between PC and smartphone. People complain, because they have real reasons to do so. Your sweet talk won't change the reality. Furthermore KDE isn't windows copy. It's far more advanced and better. Gnome is made by morons and aimed mostly for morons. There's no logical explanation for their idiotic decisions.
They don't care about making a stable and usable DE, they only care about showcasing every new feature of Qt...
Whenever Qt makes a new version, KDE's leadership makes a target to use its new features, not because they are useful, but just because.
Also, Gnome does not copy smartphone DEs. Smartphone DEs don't have concepts like workspaces and desktop searches. Just because it doesn't have a start menu doesn't mean it is a smartphone DE. That is what morons think...
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Originally posted by TemplarGR View PostIt is not GNOME you hate, it is change. People always love to criticize progress. It is the "hip" thing to do...
Originally posted by TemplarGR View PostWhat is so wrong with GNOME?
Originally posted by TemplarGR View PostIt provides much useful screen area for work
Originally posted by TemplarGR View PostI simply can't understand what it is that you criticize. I have given an Arch GNOME desktop to my girlfriend who is no IT professional, and she never was troubled with it. Yet you see Linux geeks in forums complaining for no real reason at all.
That's the main problem: not listening to what your users are saying. They have the right to ignore users all they want, but the result will be a reduction in the installed user base, mainly within the developer community. I know not everybody will flee Gnome, but it will become less and less attractive to developers.
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Originally posted by zanny View PostSo I use Kate, here it is without anything open: https://i.imgur.com/To29fh9.png
Is that really "cluttered"? The space of a text document in the window is literally around 90% as much space allocated as in this new gedit, but I have dozens of other circumstantial tools to use that, while plugins, are at my fingertips.
And if I used the menu-in-the-title-bar KDE option I'd have some more space back.
Further, kate is an advanced text editor, practically a mini-IDE. The proper comparison would be with kwrite.
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Originally posted by zanny View PostSo I use Kate, here it is without anything open: https://i.imgur.com/To29fh9.png
Is that really "cluttered"?
Originally posted by kigurai View PostJeesh, can we at least keep the discussion somewhat civilized.
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