Xine Now Supports VA-API, GL 2.0 Output, EAC3

[tuke81]

Hmm, good to know. Thanks for the info. Hopefully if Arch updated xine-lib today, I can try Kaffeine again and see if it surround works; not going to keep my hopes up though.

You should find xine-config file what kaffeine uses in directory: ~/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine. You could try to configure it with text editor to use surround you want(i.e. add the line what deanjo said).

[edgar_wibeau]

Krhm that's ubuntu's fault. Kaffeine 1.2.2 can be compiled againts xine-lib 1.2, and it will work just fine with it.

Why should they? They ship 1.2 and Xine-UI is linked against it...

Ok, they only have Xine-UI compiled with 1.2, all other xine depending progs are done with 1.1. Just too lazy? Dammit.

Anyway, no development in kaffeine for two years (at least no releases) doesn't sound overly promising to me.

But, erm, I think I'm a leeeeeetle OT here :-/

[Ericg]

Hey guys, other than "The freedom to choose" ...is there any reason to still support VLC (the standalone library, not the app), Xine AND Gstreamer? I'm looking especially at KDE phonon where you can switch around backends. If its just an issue of "Freedom to choose" then okay I guess, but just as a user.. It seems like Gstreamer is the best choice if for no better reason than the plugin system-- Something that (as far as I know) neither Library-VLC or Xine have.

[Akka]

Hey guys, other than "The freedom to choose" ...is there any reason to still support VLC (the standalone library, not the app), Xine AND Gstreamer? I'm looking especially at KDE phonon where you can switch around backends. If its just an issue of "Freedom to choose" then okay I guess, but just as a user.. It seems like Gstreamer is the best choice if for no better reason than the plugin system-- Something that (as far as I know) neither Library-VLC or Xine have.

Vlc is on more platform as I understands it. I get the impression the phonon dev recommend gstreamer on linux?

[Ericg]

Vlc is on more platform as I understands it. I get the impression the phonon dev recommend gstreamer on linux?

Yeah gstreamer is the recommended-- partially because Xine and VLC both had longstanding bugs that would corrupt the audio under KDE if they were the selected backend, just from Phonon hitting untested codepaths.

[tuke81]

Why should they? They ship 1.2 and Xine-UI is linked against it...

Ok, they only have Xine-UI compiled with 1.2, all other xine depending progs are done with 1.1. Just too lazy? Dammit.

Anyway, no development in kaffeine for two years (at least no releases) doesn't sound overly promising to me.

But, erm, I think I'm a leeeeeetle OT here :-/

Yeah well just browsing my bash history. This is what I did to rebuild it from package repos(might need something more...):

sudo apt-get install build-essential fakeroot
sudo apt-get build-dep kaffeine
sudo apt-get install libxine2-bin libxine2-console libxine2-dbg libxine2-dev libxine2-doc libxine2-ffmpeg libxine2 libxine2-x 
mkdir build_kaff
cd build_kaff
apt-get source kaffeine
cd kaffeine-1.2.2/
fakeroot debian/rules build
fakeroot debian/rules binary
cd ..
sudo dpkg -i kaffeine_1.2.2*.deb

The most important package was that libxine2-dev(xine-lib 1.2), it should uninstall libxine-dev(xine-lib 1.1) and build kaffeine by using xine-lib 1.2 development files. It should say what xine-lib are in use while doing fakeroot debian/rules build.

[hoohoo]

Excellent news!

[smitty3268]

Hey guys, other than "The freedom to choose" ...is there any reason to still support VLC (the standalone library, not the app), Xine AND Gstreamer? I'm looking especially at KDE phonon where you can switch around backends. If its just an issue of "Freedom to choose" then okay I guess, but just as a user.. It seems like Gstreamer is the best choice if for no better reason than the plugin system-- Something that (as far as I know) neither Library-VLC or Xine have.

Edit: i'm speaking of phonon only.

Xine was the original choice by KDE devs when KDE4 was first coming out. After a while, it became clear that there were some major deficiencies using it as a lib, and most of those devs left for VLC instead. I don't think anyone is really supporting the Xine backend anymore.

The GStreamer backend was more of a separate downstream effort, led by Kubuntu i think, (and maybe other distros) to leverage the fact that their distros were already heavily supporting gstreamer and not vlc.

[GreatEmerald]

Edit: i'm speaking of phonon only.

Xine was the original choice by KDE devs when KDE4 was first coming out. After a while, it became clear that there were some major deficiencies using it as a lib, and most of those devs left for VLC instead. I don't think anyone is really supporting the Xine backend anymore.

The GStreamer backend was more of a separate downstream effort, led by Kubuntu i think, (and maybe other distros) to leverage the fact that their distros were already heavily supporting gstreamer and not vlc.

And then there are licensing issues with shipping VLC by default.

[schmalzler]

Hey guys, other than "The freedom to choose" ...is there any reason to still support VLC (the standalone library, not the app), Xine AND Gstreamer? I'm looking especially at KDE phonon where you can switch around backends. If its just an issue of "Freedom to choose" then okay I guess, but just as a user.. It seems like Gstreamer is the best choice if for no better reason than the plugin system-- Something that (as far as I know) neither Library-VLC or Xine have.

I am (was...) happy, that there was the vlc phonon-backend, when phonon-gstreamer-devs said they won't support non-pulseaudio-setups in the future (which most probably won't happen as it looks now). And AFAIK the different backends are developed by different devs.
And vlc is of course driven by plugins! It just does not split them over many packages but bundles them in one single source tarball. Even xine-lib splits out functionality into plugins...