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Originally posted by droidhacker View PostI don't know about you, but my hand is simply not capable of controlling an object to 1/1600th of an inch.... It gets to a point where its just numbers with little or no association with actual function. What you experienced from your change from 800 to 1600 dpi mouse, was PLACEBO. The actual resolution didn't make any difference because the accuracy of your hand is still what it was before. Now its compensating by reducing the sensitivity -- effectively ignoring several intermediate steps.
The resolution of your mouse makes no difference if it exceeds the RESOLUTION OF YOUR HAND, which it does. Those hardware review sites are biased since they are actually PAID BY THE VENDORS!!!!
Originally posted by droidhacker View PostYou're clearly unfamiliar with the way that gnome-panel worked. The applications bar on the bottom of the screen only displays the applications open on that screen in that workspace.
But I spotted a problem with gnome-shell and Aqua (both have the same behaviour). Consider 2 workspaces, 1 with epiphany, the other with terminal. Now, if I'm in the workspace with epiphany and I launch a terminal window, instead of launching a new window in that workspace, it changes to the workspace with the terminal. That's not what I was expecting (it doesn't launch another window). To create two windows, from the same application, in different workspace, I must create both windows in the same workspace, and then move 1 to the other workspace. That's not acceptable.
Originally posted by droidhacker View PostFirst off, it isn't a single bar. Its a single bar PER WORKSPACE PER DISPLAY.
If you have multiple monitors, you get a new bar for the second one, it shows you the application open on THAT MONITOR.
Originally posted by droidhacker View PostThis is not a solution because you have to change to a second screen in order to see it. That is an extra redundant step, and does NOTHING to solve the problem to begin with. This wasn't done to improve usability, it was done to ADD BLING.
ALL of which add an extra step, and DO NOT actually improve over the way it was done in gnome-panel.
Originally posted by droidhacker View PostIf you have that small of a screen, you aren't going to be running a billion applications simultaneously. Trust me, anyone with a netbook will confirm that this is NOT something to worry about.
Originally posted by droidhacker View PostExcept that it STILL implements drawback (1), and drawback (2) doesn't actually apply.
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Originally posted by droidhacker View PostI don't know about you, but my hand is simply not capable of controlling an object to 1/1600th of an inch.... It gets to a point where its just numbers with little or no association with actual function. What you experienced from your change from 800 to 1600 dpi mouse, was PLACEBO. The actual resolution didn't make any difference because the accuracy of your hand is still what it was before. Now its compensating by reducing the sensitivity -- effectively ignoring several intermediate steps.
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Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View PostAll right, I am sensing a pattern here, if I may make an observation...
An Anti-Gnome Shell person makes a complaint, and receives a rebuttal. The Anti-Gnome Shell guy ignores this and wonders why nobody is responding to his complaint.
A Pro-Gnome Shell person makes a complaint, and receives a rebuttal. The Pro-Gnome Shell guy ignores this and wonders why nobody is responding to his complaint.
The anti-gnome-shell persons make complaints, and receive rebuttals that indicate that the pro-gnome-shell person hasn't even read the complaint to understand it. They make up some nonsense and claim ignorance. The pro-gnome-shell person tries to explain in more detail in order to get past the "blinded by bling" state that the pro-gnome-shell person has been sucked into.
The pro-gnome-shell person is still blinded, so they try to make up a whole bunch of excuses, trying to place the blame for getting poor utility out of gnome-shell on the actual user -- suggesting that a graphical interface should be operated by the keyboard.... HUH--SERIOUSLY???!?!? Or that the user's MOUSE is somehow to blame?
None of the pro-gnome-shell person's arguments are explained any more rationally than "but its pretty".
Well, its a barnyard pig, dressed to the 9's and with a full makeover by the most famous homosexual in existence. Thanks, but I'd rather the HUMAN NERDY GIRL with zero fashion sense. At least she is capable of intelligent conversation and knows how to make a sandwich.
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Originally posted by ludovic.silvestre View PostNormal users have small screens (laptops?) with 125DPI mouse and probably no mouse pad, but that combination is enough for gnome-shell (using it on a macbook pro, with the trackpad). Now if you have a big screen (>21 inches), you should have a high performance mouse. Go check out the hardware reviews sites, you'll see that all of them agrees with me
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Originally posted by ludovic.silvestre View PostI'm familiar with 'group-by-application', it's used by default in Aero, Aqua and Gnome-shell. I presume we're talking about the same thing.
You're wrong. Gnome 2 have a finite number of workspaces (those little window icons on the bottom bar, right side) and in Gnome 3 they evolved to an arbitrary number of workspaces. And workspaces aren't a solution to the lack of open-application-panel, since the open applications are in the dock and all windows are grouped by application (talking about Gnome-shell).
As far as the number of workspaces, I could care less if the number of them scaled to infinity. There is still a practical limit to the number of workspaces you can keep track of. I find FOUR to be excessive.
My point was that you can't use a single bar for all the information, unless you have a big screen/multiple screen. You have 3 solutions for that problem:
1) Discard some of the information;
If you have multiple monitors, you get a new bar for the second one, it shows you the application open on THAT MONITOR.
2) Use a second bar;
3) Hide the less used information into a secondary screen <-- used in gnome 3.
Now the best solution in my opinion is the third, because 1) is not an option if you want to need all that information
and 2) is not an option if you have a small screen.
Now, to access the secondary screen (activities screen), gnome-shell allows you 3 ways to do that (slowest to quickest):
1) Pressing the Activities button in the top bar (big movement + precision to press button);
2) Moving the mouse into the top left corner (big movement, but no precision);
3) Pressing the Window Key button (only one keystroke);
Honestly, the drawback of 3) (one more step) is much less important than the drawbacks of 1) and 2).
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Originally posted by AnonymousCoward View PostResolution does help. I went from a 800dpi mouse to a 1600dpi one, and it is exactly as precise as before, I just need to move half the way. Maybe you need to buy a proper mouse, not cheap crap. Or maybe you need to make sure your desk is clean, so the mouse doesn't stick to it?
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Originally posted by droidhacker View Post***I DO USE GNOME 3***, but with a customized version of gnome-panel rather than gnome-shell. In this configuration, it works quite well, but I am concerned that I will eventually have to give it up. At this point, there is no practical alternative.
Also, Unity is built on fallback (essentially), so that is another factor.. and i also highly doubt RHEL, CentOS, etc, will be switching to gnome-shell, even when they eventually move to gnome3. (not that that will happen anytime soon). ~ there are vested interests, and practical reasons to keep gnome-fallback alive. So, My point is it's not going anywhere.
Gnome-Shell isn't a requirement for Gnome3, neither is Gnome-Panel for that matter. Gnome's backend, toolkits, etc are nicely separated from things like GS and Gnome-Panel.
you should be able to continue to run whatever you want on top of Gnome, for a long time.Last edited by ninez; 19 October 2011, 11:34 PM.
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All right, I am sensing a pattern here, if I may make an observation...
An Anti-Gnome Shell person makes a complaint, and receives a rebuttal. The Anti-Gnome Shell guy ignores this and wonders why nobody is responding to his complaint.
A Pro-Gnome Shell person makes a complaint, and receives a rebuttal. The Pro-Gnome Shell guy ignores this and wonders why nobody is responding to his complaint.
Simply put... once a thread has this many posts, it stop being relevant. Move on and try and make your lives better. Thank you and good night.
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