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Originally posted by XorEaxEax View PostBut hey, ever since LLVM (and later Clang) was released there have been those claiming that it would kill GCC 'any day now', years pass and both projects are still going strong with no sign of slowing down. I can only attribute the desire of some people to have GCC disappear to be some anti-GPL effort since as for those of use USING these compilers this competition is warmly welcomed and certainly having a positive effect on the quality of BOTH these compiler toolchains.
It is a kind of funny way to loose your "ability" for your "freedom", isn't it ? :-)
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Originally posted by crazycheese View PostIts like using WINE or Windows, both are worse than using native.
Originally posted by crazycheese View PostNo one uses Gnash, you either use Flash or don?t use Flash.
Originally posted by crazycheese View PostGCC maybe one of the best GNU projects up to the time, but Apple supported BSD-licensed and more advanced LLVM is quickly catching up.
But hey, ever since LLVM (and later Clang) was released there have been those claiming that it would kill GCC 'any day now', years pass and both projects are still going strong with no sign of slowing down. I can only attribute the desire of some people to have GCC disappear to be some anti-GPL effort since as for those of use USING these compilers this competition is warmly welcomed and certainly having a positive effect on the quality of BOTH these compiler toolchains.
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Originally posted by DMJC View PostFSF should just throw themselves into finishing off GnuStep. It just needs a web browser, and the multimedia framework/hardware configuration panels then it'll kick the crap out of all the other desktop platforms. It's basically OSX on Linux without the stupid limitations. (mac menu can be turned on or off, menus can be per window or mac style, more than one instance of an app can be run at once, or not depending on how you want it). It's seriously better than any other choices out there for desktop usability.
What do you think of ?toil? ?
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Originally posted by crazycheese View PostBecause no landlord or car seller accepts bier as payment,
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Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostThis whole post is clinically insane. Management strategy? WTF? Scrap GCC and the GNU toolchain?
No one uses Gnash, you either use Flash or don?t use Flash. Its like using WINE or Windows, both are worse than using native.
Currently FSF tries to perform something that people in the shop do for commercial proprietary software and do it better than FSF.
The whole meaning of my post was to attract the "people from the street" into financing free software instead of supporting proprietary. Reread it.
You are pushing FSF into never ending battle against proprietary, where FSF immediately assigns itself into losing position; my wish is for FSF to take provider role between non-hackers (buyers) and developers.
Because for you freedom of software is higher than its functionality, and for normal people I know functionality is much more important than eventual freedom. They are ok to pay and get something that they want, and so long it works they will continue to invest into non-free software. FSF is fighting windmills and loosing energy catching mice instead to understand why mice is always faster and become quicker than mice itself.
GCC maybe one of the best GNU projects up to the time, but Apple supported BSD-licensed and more advanced LLVM is quickly catching up.
Unless GNU understands exactly why this was possible and adapts the mechanism to profit of free software engineering, it is matter of time when GCC looses as well.
Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostThe Free Software ecosystem was never about a powerful leader organising a strategy against Microsoft, to win a "desktop war". It has always been about a community who believes in software freedom. If we don't have a community who values Free Software, we will perish. It's as simple as that. It's not a management battle between RMS and Gates.
Same, if we?d to celelebrate values of proprietary BS.
It won?t improve the product quality though, won?t attract more people into using it and valueing its advantages, won?t make them pay what they can or help improve it.
Because no landlord or car seller accepts bier as payment, professional developers are automatically excluded from FLOSS ecosystem. And there are people who will gladly pay them, provided stuff just works or stuff becomes improvements they are happy to pay for.
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Now that Microsoft owns Skype, the Free Software Foundation is likely to hate Skype even more.
You may tell me "it is the same thing people said about every browser other than explorer 10 years ago, but then Firefox came and things changed". No, it isn't the same. Not at all. The browser war was possible (itself) because HTML is an open standard, and any browser you mind to write would be capable to play it. But Skype protocol is tight closed, overpatented and overcopyrighted, and not compatible with other protocols. If you can't write a Skype client on your own, there's no chance you can IP-phone to the majority of Ip voice users.
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FSF should just throw themselves into finishing off GnuStep. It just needs a web browser, and the multimedia framework/hardware configuration panels then it'll kick the crap out of all the other desktop platforms. It's basically OSX on Linux without the stupid limitations. (mac menu can be turned on or off, menus can be per window or mac style, more than one instance of an app can be run at once, or not depending on how you want it). It's seriously better than any other choices out there for desktop usability.
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Originally posted by joshuapurcell View PostThe Hurd promises many interesting capabilities which are just not possible with a monolithic kernel design, and these possibilities are evident to any user of the system. Imagine navigating various types of remote file systems, databases, code repositories, etc. all as if they were just files on your local system? Using tar, cp, vi/emacs, on these files in the same way as you do with local files is possible due to the user-space Hurd translators which serve as wrappers which make this possible.
Originally posted by joshuapurcell View PostAnother interesting possibility is that various parts of the Hurd can be written in other programming languages, which has both benefits and drawbacks. But this possibility makes it that much easier for the various code bases to be used for features of the operating system which weren't possible with other systems.
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Originally posted by 89c51 View PostRevolution is cool and stuff but first and foremost you have to have something that WORKS and be able to deliver. Linux works, Haiku is in Alpha. HURD is NOT ready.
until its ready they can hopefully dedicate some resources in helping mesa which is something we need NOW.
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