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Originally posted by kraftman View PostNormally you don't upgrade KDE and you don't upgrade Gnome if you're using Kubuntu (till you add backports repo) and Ubuntu. If some distribution let's you to upgrade mentioned software its maintainers should take care to give you the smooth upgrade experience. It will be different if KDE would be entire Linux distribution, but it's not.
It's config system should make sure that everything is quite smooth. Though as it appears there are constantly problems with plasma-desktop.
Maybe what could help is to upload the config file before the update, after the update and a restart and then after its removal and recreation of the previous situation.
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Originally posted by smitty3268 View PostYou're presenting a false choice here. Either the GPU manufacturer OR the KWin developers should care about fixing the issues. That's wrong, they should both care. What one does could help out the other, but it really doesn't matter whether the GPU manufacturer cares or not, the KWin developers still should. Anyway, I'm not necessarily claiming they need to fix the drivers directly - although that is in the spirit of open source - but they could at least do some testing, figure out which effects are broken on currently widespread drivers, and disable them on that hardware. Or even try to rewrite the broken affects to work around driver bugs. It's what everyone else does, after all.
KWin properly disables effects if they are unsupported but a main problem with the drivers is that they tell applications that feature XY is supported while actually it's not. If a driver announces to support a certain feature, that feature has to be available and properly implemented. It's not the responsibility of hobbyist window manager developers to test against all driver versions out there and maintain a blacklist or anything like that.
Luckily for the GNOME folks, KWin already paved the way. Thanks to its no workaround policy, the drivers are in much better shape these days, so they should have a less bumpy ride with Mutter and the drivers.
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Originally posted by tball View PostUhmm do you by any chance use the nvidia proprietary driver? That is known to be slow with GS.
The open source radeon driver just rocks with GS.
I must also disagree with the lack of usability. I find GS something you have to get used to, but when you do, it is very easy and pleseant to use :-)
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Originally posted by kraftman View PostIt's somehow hard to discover. I don't know how to minimize the window except right clicking on the title bar and choosing minimize option. I'm sure there must be different way.
When I tried GS it was soon very clear to me that minimizing windows is not something one is expected to do in GS's workflow. Instead new windows should be launched in new workspaces. Workspace management is IMO still lacking refinement but it's just a dot 0 release.
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Originally posted by Awesomeness View PostYes: Stop minimizing windows.
When I tried GS it was soon very clear to me that minimizing windows is not something one is expected to do in GS's workflow. Instead new windows should be launched in new workspaces. Workspace management is IMO still lacking refinement but it's just a dot 0 release.
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Originally posted by kraftman View PostNormally you don't upgrade KDE and you don't upgrade Gnome if you're using Kubuntu (till you add backports repo) and Ubuntu. If some distribution let's you to upgrade mentioned software its maintainers should take care to give you the smooth upgrade experience. It will be different if KDE would be entire Linux distribution, but it's not.
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Originally posted by siban View PostBut if I launch a windows, then I launch another window, and want to see the first windows, I know it is below the current window, so I click the minimize button With the current sitution in the new Gnome, it will be a problem for many. Let's see what happens.
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Originally posted by Awesomeness View PostWhy should unpaid KWin developers fix a driver that's developed by full-time developers working for and paid by a giant corporation?
You're not making sense.
Btw, following the economics of a free market: If you can't fix problems yourself, you can always hire someone to do it for you.
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