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Originally posted by smitty3268 View PostBased on the same logic, I am hereby predicting that every single post you write from now to eternity will be filled with nothing but FUD.
All I know about KDE is it has failed for me by being too cluttered with stuff I don't want and not enough stuff I do want. Those pieces that I do want that Gnome doesn't have make me jealous, but I would honestly have to play around with it again to remember what I was I was jealous about because I haven't really needed whatever it was I thought I was missing. I've always managed to find some program to give me what I want.
Of course, once you learn some things that you end up loving you ask yourself, "How could I have ever lived without this?!?!" So I'm either mostly satisfied with Gnome, or I just don't know what I'm missing.
Sometime I'll get around to giving 4.5 a go though to see if anything magical happens to my opinion of the, for me at least, confusing choices they have made for their DE. Like the "lets reduce the size of the desktop where you can put files and folders down to a small window, and make it so you can't put them anywhere else on the desktop" choice for instance. Seriously, what the hell. All you've done is turned it from a big background file manager into a small background file manager. Yay.
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Originally posted by Yfrwlf View PostCome come, it's logical to expect the same thing based on someone's track record. It in no way means it will be that way of course, so you are really both right.
That's nonsense.
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I have only two feature requests:
1) Make ist stable.
At my university in the pool there is now Archlinux installed. Therefore I tried KDE again. I was able to use it exactly three seconds until the whole Desktop froze completely. I went to the console and killed plasma and changed back to the desktop. There was a window "Starting Akonadi Server" sitting there for some minutes (!) and then the screen was simplay black...
2) Make it a LITTLE BIT more performant. I have 1 gb Ram at the moment. That ought to be enaugh for your Desktop, shouldn't it?
In fact it is enaugh for KDE. But just try to use some programs and it will fuck your Ram up. When I had 1 gb Ram and 512 mb swap (!) used I seriously had enaugh.
Yes, this is anecdotic, but every time I try KDE I run into the same trouble of it being extremely laggy (context menus taking up to two seconds to open, clicking on buttons just feels slow), buggy rendering (the background picture partly overlays konsole windows or xchat WTF), ressource-intensive and somehow plasma keeps on segfaulting.
Yes, Amarok... I tried amarok2 and it was kind of pretty, but it never played more than one song for me, there was just no sound after the first finished. I guess, phonon kind of sucks with gstreamer... But then put a message in there "Warning, don't use phonon with gstreamer, if possible". I wonder if amarok2 still keeps segfaulting on closing. Maybe I should try it again.
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Originally posted by ChrisXY View PostI have only two feature requests:
1) Make ist stable.
At my university in the pool there is now Archlinux installed. Therefore I tried KDE again. I was able to use it exactly three seconds until the whole Desktop froze completely. I went to the console and killed plasma and changed back to the desktop. There was a window "Starting Akonadi Server" sitting there for some minutes (!) and then the screen was simplay black...
2) Make it a LITTLE BIT more performant. I have 1 gb Ram at the moment. That ought to be enaugh for your Desktop, shouldn't it?
In fact it is enaugh for KDE. But just try to use some programs and it will fuck your Ram up. When I had 1 gb Ram and 512 mb swap (!) used I seriously had enaugh.
Yes, this is anecdotic, but every time I try KDE I run into the same trouble of it being extremely laggy (context menus taking up to two seconds to open, clicking on buttons just feels slow), buggy rendering (the background picture partly overlays konsole windows or xchat WTF), ressource-intensive and somehow plasma keeps on segfaulting.
Yes, Amarok... I tried amarok2 and it was kind of pretty, but it never played more than one song for me, there was just no sound after the first finished. I guess, phonon kind of sucks with gstreamer... But then put a message in there "Warning, don't use phonon with gstreamer, if possible". I wonder if amarok2 still keeps segfaulting on closing. Maybe I should try it again.
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Originally posted by marek View PostAlmost always both. Both KDE and driver developers should talk to each other and resolve any issues together, especially when KDE people launch a new product the driver devs don't know about or don't test (they are usually more busy with making games work and fast).
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Originally posted by Yfrwlf View PostSometime I'll get around to giving 4.5 a go though to see if anything magical happens to my opinion of the, for me at least, confusing choices they have made for their DE.
Like the "lets reduce the size of the desktop where you can put files and folders down to a small window, and make it so you can't put them anywhere else on the desktop" choice for instance. Seriously, what the hell. All you've done is turned it from a big background file manager into a small background file manager. Yay.
The reason is moving away from the Windows-mode of having the desktop as a large warehouse of temporary files towards a more traditional Unix or NeXT desktop.
MacOSX went in the other direction, really, seeing as how it was developed on NeXT principles after Apple bought them.
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Originally posted by kraftman View PostI've got the same feeling. On the other side it seems they have better communication with Gnome people, but maybe just Gnome devs made the first step or it's due to some Red Hat priorities. While Gallium is starting kicking ass and radeon drivers are maturing KWin devs should take a look more closely on open source graphic stack and thus make KDE run flawlessly out of the box on open source drivers. I hope this will happen.
At the same time, don't forget that RedHat employees do a lot of the open driver work, and they also employ many of the GNOME hackers. They don't employ any KDE people. Of course the communication is better with the former.
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