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Originally posted by benmoran View PostI agree with Kaczu's points. I'm not against "plain" Alsa, but I don't want to give up any of the functionality Pulse provides. It's 2010!
Originally posted by benmoran View PostAlso to get back to the main title of this thread, I disagree. For better or worse, we can just expect that Valve will target Ubuntu as the main platform. They won't worry about getting every odd audio setup to work, just the current Ubuntu release. People on other distros will just have to try to get it working themselves, if it doesn't already. If they do decide to support ONLY pulse output over Alsa, they non Pulse users are screwed. That's the cold reality. Hopefully they choose Alsa.
The second thing is that PA can be turned off at will for things outside of Gstreamer (don't know if that's still the case for 10.04) . For those users who roll their own or have source based distros they can easily turn PA on/off in order for something like Steam. Hell you could create a script that did that if Steam is detected as open. However what is the average user supposed to do if their version of ALSA misdiagrams a user's sound card? Compile the their own? For a game? That's just not reasonable and will do more harm than good.
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- PulseAudio and Sound in GNOME Applications
KDE installations do not install PulseAudio by default. PulseAudio will be installed automatically if an application, which requires it is installed, but it must still be enabled in YaST to hear sound in these applications. To enable PulseAudio in YaST, open YaST > Sound Module and click 'Other'. Select 'PulseAudio Configuration', then check 'Enable PulseAudio Support'.
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- PulseAudio and Sound in GNOME Applications
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Originally posted by deanjo View PostHow the hell do you figure Pulse makes up for a crappy driver?
Pulse still uses the exact same driver that a pure alsa system uses. A crappy driver in a pure alsa system is still going to be a crappy driver with Pulse. You now have just added another complexity of another layer to muddy the waters.
Will it always work if the ALSA driver implementation is really crappy? No. But overall the outcome should be better if ALSA can get the basics.
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Originally posted by deanjo View PostPulse is an optional install on openSUSE 11.2 and the popular opinion there is get rid of it if you have it installed.
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Originally posted by deanjo View Posthttp://www.suse.com/relnotes/i386/op...TES.en.html#06
Getting rid of it installed by default was one of the most requested features when 11.2 was in development.
Yea sure KDE does not need PA just as long as you don't actually install any applications that are not as part of the default install. Then you may or may not need to install it.
And they will probably do something stupid like trying to have Pulse Audio run on top of Dmix so they don't have the change the default Alsa device for other applications to be the pulse plugin.
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Originally posted by kaczu View PostYou're taking what he's saying out of context. He's not saying to get rid of Pulse. He's describing issues that need to be resolved. However what you cut out is that latency is more related to how timing is implemented not that PA itself is high latency. Actually PA has a low latency mode which can be used to fix many issues which he describes.
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Originally posted by kaczu View PostThe point was that they all offer it. And as I said the lack of it causes it's own issues. There's enough Intel HDA threads with ALSA that you can send a Mac truck through.
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