GNOME 2.30 Released; Farewell To GNOME 2.xx

[RealNC]

Then tell System Settings to apply KDE theme colors to apps with other toolkits.

Of course I have that option enabled. Oxygen Molecule does not obey it, however. It uses hardcoded colors, which is just stupid.

[kraftman]

"Nautilus features a number of user interface changes including a new split view mode and is now set to browser mode by default, replacing spatial mode.

Isn't this an April fools joke?

[cl333r]

Lol. My favorite part of the release notes is actually what they said after that:
Really? And it only took them until 2010 figure out that it's been the industry standard since 2002. Stubborn bastards...

+1
It actually begs the question if their devs (not all) are also stupid or paranoid or mentally ill cause I don't think one can be _that_ stubborn and use _that_ bad decisions for such a long time, literally years.

They also didn't fix their (idiotic) DND in Nautilus and on panels, which only successfully competes with win95 interfaces. Yes, ignore this or say it's not true and call me a troll.

[KAMiKAZOW]

That's crappy too. The colors are totally, completely wrong. It doesn't even attempt to use the Qt color settings.

Then tell System Settings to apply KDE theme colors to apps with other toolkits.

[RealNC]

I suggest using this :
http://kde-look.org/content/show.php...content=103741

That's crappy too. The colors are totally, completely wrong. It doesn't even attempt to use the Qt color settings.

[val-gaav]

@Joe Sixpack:

Agreed they should have changed that default years ago ,,, then again most distros changed it for years for them.

Actually that default scarred the crap out of me the first time I run Gnome on debian.

Are there any plans of providing a way for Gtk apps to not look like ass on KDE? Like the native Gtk look of Qt apps when ran under Gnome?

I suggest using this :

http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen-Molecule+KDE+&+GTK%2B+unified+theme?content=103741

As for gtk+ devs plans :

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573916

It really doesn't seem they will do anything about it

[Joe Sixpack]

Not really. It took them until 2010 to realise that whatever about theoretical user-friendliness and the desktop/folder paradigm, User expectation trumps the theory. In theory spatial mode is easier for a new user, in practice it's not because they aren't "blank slates", they already have a conception of how it works. This is a case of sometimes what is wrong, is actually right.

LOL!!!

Have you actually used default Gnome, or are you just speaking in theory? Opening a new file manager window every time I click on a folder is far from user-friendly or convenient, and it has nothing to do with being a blank slate. Explain how having directories and drives listed to the left and having the ability to go backwards and forwards in the same window is a bad idea. Gnome has always had a history for being stubborn. They'd rather inconvenience the user for the sake of appearing "original". Hence them waiting until approx version 2.10 to add a menu editor because it "wasn't needed".

Your theory is very true, but it doesn't apply in this case.

[RobbieAB]

Really? And it only took them until 2010 figure out that it's been the industry standard since 2002. Stubborn bastards...

Not really. It took them until 2010 to realise that whatever about theoretical user-friendliness and the desktop/folder paradigm, User expectation trumps the theory. In theory spatial mode is easier for a new user, in practice it's not because they aren't "blank slates", they already have a conception of how it works. This is a case of sometimes what is wrong, is actually right.

[Joe Sixpack]

Not really. I'm actually impressed, because :

http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.30/figures/rnusers.nautilus.png.en_GB

Split View ? Well I know KDE had that LONG time ago, nevertheless it's still nice that gnome will also have it.

Lol. My favorite part of the release notes is actually what they said after that:

GNOME 2.30 includes updates to Nautilus, the GNOME File Manager. Nautilus features a number of user interface changes including a new split view mode and is now set to browser mode by default, replacing spatial mode.

Really? And it only took them until 2010 figure out that it's been the industry standard since 2002. Stubborn bastards...

[luisfpg]

I wouldn't hold my breath on this...

Probably due to the fact that it is less capable of doing so...(at least properly as there are some oxygen attempts but nowhere near the equivalent to Qt)

Yup... The only real solution would be a native renderer using Qt itself. There are no GTK styles which gets even close to what Oxygen is in KDE 4.4, with it's subtle animations and a peculiar polish.

However, I think that GNOME and GTK are in a more comfortable situation, as the most hyped distros (ubuntu / fedora) uses them as default, and many popular applications (firefox / chrome / gimp) are GTK based.

Qt / KDE have to run to catch up position. But they are far superior in all aspects. I long for the day where ALL software I run are totally capable of replacing their GTK equivalents.