KDE Plasma 6 Refinements Continue, Fixes 3+ Important Crashes This Week

[ngraham]

Yes, that is indeed another way of writing, "it's still in progress." Hopefully you read my long post that explains why there's no simple and easy solution we can just roll out tomorrow. Sometimes the world is frustratingly complex.

[varikonniemi]

Yes, that is indeed another way of writing, "it's still in progress." Hopefully you read my long post that explains why there's no simple and easy solution we can just roll out tomorrow. Sometimes the world is frustratingly complex.

I think the time when some use case can result in / being deleted is when the user has provided sudo password. Not in any other way. Installing themes does not ask for sudo so there is not even the slightest indication of how serious a decision you are making, besides the generic "this is provided by user, take care"

[AmericanLocomotive]

Glad to see Discover is getting some love. Discover on the current release of SteamOS is pretty bad and has a lot of issues. Hopefully the next major SteamOS release will have all of these updates.

[aufkrawall]

Something imho has regressed more or less recently, games at ~90fps/Hz with VRR and smooth frame time variance don't look smooth anymore vs. Xorg.

[sophisticles]

Report it and/or provide a fix. Help them. Just whining about a crash isn't going to get it fixed.
If you don't report it either be quiet and take the bugs for granted or move on to another desktop environment that suits your needs better.

People voicing their displeasure is valid feedback for a project.

Nate has stated that he wants to eventually get KDE to the point where they have a project manager that keeps developers on track, basically run it like a processional organization, not a collection of independent volunteers where everyone does what he wants.

Nate needs to know how exactly the bugs present in his project impacts people's productivity.

[Weasel]

I think the time when some use case can result in / being deleted is when the user has provided sudo password. Not in any other way. Installing themes does not ask for sudo so there is not even the slightest indication of how serious a decision you are making, besides the generic "this is provided by user, take care"

No it fucking deletes everything you own since everything is a descendant of / which is even worse than just "deleting your OS" which you can simply reinstall.

Why the fuck are people so afraid of losing their OS files but not their personal files?

[sophisticles]

A generic fix is much more difficult as, by design, global themes are basically plugins/mods with full access to the entire system.If they weren't, they couldn't do most of the things they do.

This is a glaring security hole that will one day be exploited for nefarious means.

If Windows or Mac OS did this people would be having a fit, claiming that it was proof close source was insecure by design.

There is absolutely no reason why this should ever happen:

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/linux/kde-advises-extreme-caution-after-theme-wipes-linux-users-files/

Honestly, I think KDE needs to be treated like an old house that gets gutted to the studs, tear out all legacy code, eliminate all the options for customization.

You have said that there is a direction you want to take KDE in but that it would require at least a million dollars a year to do it.

You will never get that kind of sponsorship if your DE allows:

"Global themes and widgets created by 3rd party developers for Plasma can and will run arbitrary code. You are encouraged to exercise extreme caution when using these products," KDE cautioned.

They should not be able to run any arbitrary code, none, zero, zip, zilch.

This is not a good look for KDE.

[varikonniemi]

No it fucking deletes everything you own since everything is a descendant of / which is even worse than just "deleting your OS" which you can simply reinstall.

Why the fuck are people so afraid of losing their OS files but not their personal files?

You are right, i only mentioned needing sudo as warning that serious things are happening.

It's a clear design shortcome that themes you download from the official portal can wipe out all files you have access to.

[Nth_man]

$ rm -Rf /
rm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on '/'
rm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe
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Trying it with Kubuntu 23.10, it does not cause any harm. Even if `sudo` is used.

[polarathene]

$ rm -Rf /
rm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on '/'
rm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe
​

Trying it with Kubuntu 23.10, it does not cause any harm. Even if `sudo` is used.

What is stopping the script from adding `--no-preserve-root`?

Would that take out a BTRFS system too with the snapshots, or could it rollback? Just stresses the importance of external backups I guess.

Those immutable distro spins like Fedora Silverblue / Kinoite would be read-only mounts though right? So system files would be safe, but other submounts like your home data would still be removed?