GNOME Console Could Be Ubuntu 22.10's GNOME Terminal Replacement

[felipec]

Linux users: things should do one thing and do it well systemd must die enough with the features.
Also Linux users: wait why is GNOME dropping features?

You drop features from thing a, and add features to thing b, so the user can simply use thing b and not lose any features.

Why is that hard to understand?

[sinepgib]

Lmao Gnome apps keep losing features... Will this never ending story of simplification be over some day?

Linux users: things should do one thing and do it well systemd must die enough with the features.
Also Linux users: wait why is GNOME dropping features?

(Sorry for the trolling, but the irony...)

[openminded]

Lmao Gnome apps keep losing features... Will this never ending story of simplification be over some day?

[DanL]

Ubuntu is becoming a server-focused distro, so this seems like a step in the wrong direction.

There's zero configurability whatsoever..!

You're surprised that a GNOME program doesn't give you options?

[felipec]

Not necessarily. Debian doesn't target server exclusively. Debian aims to be universal. But by all means, if you have solid figures (other than some random forum poll) please share.

If you attempt for everyone to like you, then nobody will like you (except for the people that like everybody).

You pretend you want "solid figures", but any figures I give you you will reject (unless they match your preconceived notions). Either way, here are the relevant desktop environment statistics for the actual most popular distribution today: pkgstats. If anyone unbiased is interested.

As anyone with eyes can clearly see: GNOME will never be what it once was.

The same way we have trinity because they fucked up with KDE 4 and we have Enlightenment and unity because everybody fucked up. That's a very sad world view.

No, not "the same way". It's not the same to say "I'm late because I was stuck in traffic" and "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction".

Magnitude makes a difference.

[oleid]

That sounds like capitulation that Debian numbers are not what we are looking for.

Not necessarily. Debian doesn't target server exclusively. Debian aims to be universal. But by all means, if you have solid figures (other than some random forum poll) please share.

Duh! We have more options because GNOME developers fucked up GNOME 3.

The same way we have trinity because they fucked up with KDE 4 and we have Enlightenment and unity because everybody fucked up. That's a very sad world view.

[felipec]

Well, it is not written there "you need to switch to vote", but given the instructions it should be obvious to anyone that"vote" is the only one which makes sense for our discussion.

Speak for yourself. It's not obvious to me, or anyone else who doesn't share your assumptions.

We're talking about Debian, which is highly popular on servers. And nobody installs graphical user interfaces on a server.

That sounds like capitulation that Debian numbers are not what we are looking for.

Clearly, gnome3 has fewer users than gnome2 back then. But today you have more options.

Duh! We have more options because GNOME developers fucked up GNOME 3.

[oleid]

That is false and intellectually dishonest. The instructions don't say anything about switching to vote, and you know that.

Well, it is not written there "you need to switch to vote", but given the instructions it should be obvious to anyone that"vote" is the only one which makes sense for our discussion.

They also don't say vote means the package is "actually used", and you know that too.

Well, I can only cite the page:

vote is the number of people who use this package regularly

What else should it be?

If you assume that only packages marked with "vote" are "actually used", that would mean only around 30% of users do "actually use" a graphical interface--as that's roughly the percentage of users regularly using xorg and wayland.

Don't blame me, you wanted to use the percentage numbers. It is probably only a matter of "what is 100%".

You don't actually think only 30% use a graphical interface. Do you?

Actually, that wouldn't surprise me. We're talking about Debian, which is highly popular on servers. And nobody installs graphical user interfaces on a server.

Even if you assume the graphs represent what you claim they do (they don't), GNOME 2 managed to achieve 30% of "votes" at some point in time.

So my question to you is very simple: does GNOME 3 have 30% of "votes", or less?

Given that there were fewer alternatives back then I don't think it is too bad.
Clearly, gnome3 has fewer users than gnome2 back then. But today you have more options. So it doesn't come as a surprise.

If I were you, I'd be more worried about KDE than about GNOME. Given the stats I'd say GNOME is doing fine.

[ssokolow]

You don't actually think only 30% use a graphical interface. Do you?

I'm not familiar with all this popcon sort of stuff. Depending on how "users" are defined, that may be true. Debian is quite popular for use in VPSes and other GUIless server scenarios. If anything, 30% sounds unbelievably high compared to the total Debian install base and makes me wonder how many Debian users we have who are FOSS zealots who run popcon-y stuff on their VPSes to push the numbers.

[felipec]

If you had read the instructions, you would have noticed that you'd need to switch from "installed" to "vote", which means the package is actually used.

That is false and intellectually dishonest. The instructions don't say anything about switching to vote, and you know that. They also don't say vote means the package is "actually used", and you know that too. If you assume that only packages marked with "vote" are "actually used", that would mean only around 30% of users do "actually use" a graphical interface--as that's roughly the percentage of users regularly using xorg and wayland.

You don't actually think only 30% use a graphical interface. Do you?

Even if you assume the graphs represent what you claim they do (they don't), GNOME 2 managed to achieve 30% of "votes" at some point in time.

So my question to you is very simple: does GNOME 3 have 30% of "votes", or less?