KDE Saw Its Wayland Support Stabilize Nicely In 2020, Much Polishing Throughout

[tornado99]

Thanks, that looks a lot better. Until a couple of hours in when kwin crashed trying to open a second browser window.

What I wrote was not entirely accurate. It should be fractions of 96 dpi e.g. 120, 144, 168, 192 to be sharpest.

[ResponseWriter]

Just put scaling to 100%, and use force font dpi setting it to 1.25x or 1.5x your real dpi. The first time I did this it hard-crashed Wayland but it did retain the setting on reboot.

Thanks, that looks a lot better. Until a couple of hours in when kwin crashed trying to open a second browser window.

[theriddick]

I found that KDE Wayland fractional scaling was a bust for many apps which just resulted in blurry windows/font, however changing the font DPI to 144 seemed to work better. (4k)

The other annoying immediate issue with Wayland under Plasma5 was desktop click areas are a bit broken for task manager icons, for example Skype would often open if you click top-left of screen or over the start/apps icon, even tho its no where near that part of the screen.

I'd be surprised if Wayland can be fixed up with another year of development, it feels VERY alpha build still!

[Nth_man]

The part that connects "you need to wait" to the list of ways in which you can supposedly contribute that you also posted.

I mean, there are other ways. For example, Edward Snowden recently asked for donations to the EFF (https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/1...-broken-system), for Libreoffice you can use [crowdfunding](https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Crowdfunding) to setup a bug bounty, etc.

[bug77]

Which part didn't you understand? As someone wrote: If you can't or won't program, and you haven't enough money to help a contributor, and you won't start a crowdfunding, nor a bug bounty program, etc. then you need to wait for someone else who can and will.

The part that connects "you need to wait" to the list of ways in which you can supposedly contribute that you also posted.

[Nth_man]

Which part didn't you understand? As someone wrote: If you can't or won't program, and you haven't enough money to help a contributor, and you won't start a crowdfunding, nor a bug bounty program, etc. then you need to wait for someone else who can and will.

[bug77]

In that link there are written several ways to contribute. As someone wrote: If you can't or won't program, and you haven't enough money to help a contributor, and you won't start a crowdfunding, nor a bug bounty program, etc. then you need to wait for someone else who can and will.

There is a recent Wired article where it's written The open source movement runs on the heroic efforts of not enough people doing too much work. They need help.

Which part of "at least reporting bugs (which is on that list) doesn't work" didn't you understand?
The only item that's true in there is if you can and will code fixes yourself. Otherwise, you'll get the "we don't have a priority list, we're understaffed, everyone works on whatever they feel like" response.

[Nth_man]

> and anyone can contribute: https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved

So you see, not anyone can contribute, but only those that can program C++ or QML.

In that link there are written several ways to contribute. As someone wrote: If you can't or won't program, and you haven't enough money to help a contributor, and you won't start a crowdfunding, nor a bug bounty program, etc. then you need to wait for someone else who can and will.

There is a recent Wired article where it's written The open source movement runs on the heroic efforts of not enough people doing too much work. They need help.

[bug77]

Notwithstanding the current bugs, I find my desktop so much more fluid in Wayland than under X. It's probably not something that you could show in any benchmark or quantify, but somehow just pressing a button and seeing it respond/animate feels more solid.

Perhaps it's because I'm from a OS-X background where every window was double-buffered, but having everything so responsive, and menus appear instantly following a mouse click is a definite upgrade compared to X.

And that's what the debate all comes down to: users marveling at the tech prowess vs users wanting to get things done. And they're both right.

[bug77]

I think the longer people keep pushing for Wayland the worse off Linux on the Desktop will be. I never said X11 doesn't need replaced, I just said Wayland isn't the one. I really don't think it's possible to replace X11 with Wayland for a vast majority of use cases. Gnome Wayland is useful for single purpose interfaces and I think that's about as far as any desktop environment will ever be capable of achieving with Wayland.

It's waaay past time for somebody to think up a better paradigm....

Dumbing things down seems to be all the rage these days, so you never know...

But I'm with you, coming up with a new protocol and getting rid of the client/server architecture at the same time is a surefire way to worlds of pain. Which is what we're witnessing right now. Coming up with a new paradigm is easy (you can probably find a dozen of those in the academia without even trying too hard). Getting DEs to implement support for that, on the other hand...