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  • #11
    Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post
    From what I've gathered, It's the developers and time part.
    FWIW Mate has very few developers as well, but it seems at least one of them knows how to be a release manager.

    The too few developers issue seems to affect all DEs except Gnome and KDE.
    Last edited by calc; 03-19-2019, 10:07 AM.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by msotirov View Post
      They don't seem to be using any CMS, so I'm not surprised. It's probably some archaic system where you have to submit some patches to some SVN which sends out an email which gets sent via FAX to some mechanical typewriter which produces some punch cards which get run on some mainframe in some university basement.
      Those punch card queu's can take days to clear out sometimes.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by calc View Post
        As long as you don't mind using a DE that hasn't even had a bugfix update in over 4 years.
        Yes, better use a bug-ridden crap that gets a massive amount of bug fixes every week, which means at any given week you're using something infested with bugs.

        Something to be proud of, for sure.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by Weasel View Post
          Yes, better use a bug-ridden crap that gets a massive amount of bug fixes every week, which means at any given week you're using something infested with bugs.

          Something to be proud of, for sure.
          Definitely no long standing bugs in XFCE that haven't been fixed since no updates have come out in over 4 years....

          Oh wait, there are lots.

          XFCE hasn't had an update due to lack of release management, not due to lack of bugs needing to be fixed.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by debianxfce View Post
            Xfce 4.13 is available and fixes many of 4.12 bugs.
            https://packages.debian.org/experimental/xfce/
            So use an alpha release since they can't plan properly for stable updates? There's a reason that 4.13 is in experimental.

            I guess if you don't care about stability, but then why not just use Gnome then. 🤔🤣

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            • #16
              Originally posted by calc View Post
              The too few developers issue seems to affect all DEs except Gnome and KDE.
              And except Deepin and Enlightenment (yes, I know E is technically a WM, but in practice, it's basically a DE).

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Weasel View Post
                Yes, better use a bug-ridden crap that gets a massive amount of bug fixes every week, which means at any given week you're using something infested with bugs.

                Something to be proud of, for sure.
                Yes, we're all proud of Xfce being the perfect, bug-free DE...

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by debianxfce View Post

                  Xfce 4.13 is available and fixes many of 4.12 bugs.
                  https://packages.debian.org/experimental/xfce/
                  Funny that you even acknowledge that Xfce 4.12 has bugs. I though you'd reply with something like "what bugs? there are no bugs".

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by Weasel View Post
                    Yes, better use a bug-ridden crap that gets a massive amount of bug fixes every week, which means at any given week you're using something infested with bugs.

                    Something to be proud of, for sure.
                    KDE has been as stable as XFCE for me on AMD hardware (small issues like system tray icon bugs happen occasionally, but that happened even in XFCE). In the latest git releases none the less. Sure, some settings panels break from time to time, but they are fixed within hours. XFCE takes practically twenty years to release a bug fix or feature release. We're still just getting 'Soon TM' from the XFCE 4.13 gang. LXQT is even outstripping XFCE in releases now. There's nothing wrong with XFCE, but don't say it's the perfect desktop or that it's bug free or. It never was, and it never will be at this rate (sure, perhaps it has less bugs than gnome, but it's also taking years to release feature updates and it still has multiple major issues that need to be fixed). I'm not saying the others are perfect either, but at least the bugs they have are fixed in a timely manner and new features are released at a set schedule or at least a stable roadmap. Further, KDE has a LTS release which just got updated to 5.12.8 and will get 5.12.9 in September. I hate to say it, but even gnome now with all it's bug fixes and performance improvements is starting to become pretty stable and fast. I'd say minimal desktops are numbered in their days with most hardware nowadays being much more powerful (and having tons more space... another 200-400 MBs isn't going to matter much for all the extra features and integration you get) than even just ten years ago.
                    Last edited by Baguy; 03-19-2019, 01:24 PM.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by calc View Post

                      As long as you don't mind using a DE that hasn't even had a bugfix update in over 4 years.
                      That doesn't matter, of course. You can always count on our friend debianxfce to preach his religion and explain to you what you should be using.

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