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Originally posted by tessio View Post
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. GTK4 will be stable this year when it arrives. All major/breaking changes will go into GTK4.90 (i.e GTK5 development branch).
This version hysteria is absolutely nuts as well. In the good old days you had version, revision, fix where version mean that it was a completely new product and was perhaps not backward compatible. Revision meant new features, but usually backwards compatible. Fix was either a,b,c or a number and you would instantly know by looking at the complete version string what it was. These days are over for some reason, if people are jumping versions like crazy they might as well just go for year.month (.day) which would suffice if you want big numbers to make an impression that your application is more mature than it really is!
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Originally posted by tessio View Post
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is ?
Well, Insanity is, doing the exact same fucking thing over and over again, expecting shit to change.
And it's pretty insane that such people are still sucking their own dicks for so long and still be able to walk.
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Originally posted by waxhead View Post
Only testing and usage determines when a program is stable. A date is not much worth on it's own.
Guess they're showing how incompetent and how far they are from being real developpers after all...Last edited by UpsetingFact; 04 February 2018, 08:08 AM.
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Originally posted by UpsetingFact View Post
Ah, the very same "argument" that people use when they have deep unability to explain things... Oh wait, that's because there's nothing to explain !
Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is ?
Well, Insanity is, doing the exact same fucking thing over and over again, expecting shit to change.
And it's pretty insane that such people are still sucking their own dicks for so long and still be able to walk.
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In the end of the day I'm right and you are a dellusional sparrow repeating bullshit thinking it makes you less stupid.
But hey, still considering 4.8 as the real stable release instead of making it 4.0 as it should be right ?Last edited by UpsetingFact; 04 February 2018, 11:05 AM.
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I seriously hope that GTK5 does not break compatibility with GTK4, otherwise, what the hell do they think they're doing? GTK4 is fresh and barely used, and it's already obsolete? Why even release GTK4? As others have stated, there's still a lot out there that hasn't been ported to GTK3.
Though I personally never had major gripes with GTK, I know a lot of people who show disapproval. It's stuff like this why that's the case. I get the impression that it isn't easy porting from one version to the next, which can be a real turnoff. Qt, meanwhile, is relatively easy to port. I once created a program in Qt4+Python involving thousands of lines of code, and it took me just a few hours to port it to Qt5. Pretty much all of the important and well-maintained KDE apps were ported to Qt5 in a relatively short amount of time. Meanwhile, applications like LibreOffice, GIMP, and Firefox have been taking years to transition to GTK3.
Breakage of backward compatibility is fine if it means everything will improve because of it, but if GTK5 breaks compatibility with predecessors, that's just due to negligence as far as I'm concerned.
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Originally posted by UpsetingFact View PostIn the end of the day I'm right and you are a dellusional sparrow repeating bullshit thinking it makes you less stupid.
But hey, still considering 4.8 as the real stable release instead of making it 4.0 as it should be right ?
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Look after what Degra said, plus considering that Gnome 3 only got stable until 3.22.
That's expectations vs reality, and I'm not falling for that again unless 4.0 gets at the very least 95% stable and 99% staged.
Originally posted by schmidtbag View PostI seriously hope that GTK5 does not break compatibility with GTK4, otherwise, what the hell do they think they're doing? GTK4 is fresh and barely used, and it's already obsolete? Why even release GTK4? As others have stated, there's still a lot out there that hasn't been ported to GTK3.
Though I personally never had major gripes with GTK, I know a lot of people who show disapproval. It's stuff like this why that's the case. I get the impression that it isn't easy porting from one version to the next, which can be a real turnoff. Qt, meanwhile, is relatively easy to port. I once created a program in Qt4+Python involving thousands of lines of code, and it took me just a few hours to port it to Qt5. Pretty much all of the important and well-maintained KDE apps were ported to Qt5 in a relatively short amount of time. Meanwhile, applications like LibreOffice, GIMP, and Firefox have been taking years to transition to GTK3.
Breakage of backward compatibility is fine if it means everything will improve because of it, but if GTK5 breaks compatibility with predecessors, that's just due to negligence as far as I'm concerned.
They're going rolling-release without saying it, because everyone would understand that it's a bug-prone versioning way.
And unfortunately, a lot of people are folling them in their maddness.
And GTK is also going full rolling-release.
So if you want a stable Gnome, wait at the very least for GTK 5.0 release. Problems on 4.8 -which should be 4.0-, should be fixed then.
As a rule of thumb when you're using such rolling-released/Betas-to-Manufacture softwares, the real stable versions are some point releases after X.0.
Debian's are X.3 since Wheezy, Ubuntu's are X.04.1, Windows 10's 1607, Android 5.0's are 6.0.1, KDE 5's 5.8, Gnome 3's 3.22, etc
Looking after softwares' enterprise versions are pretty much the way to spot when they are really stable.
Times spent on Alphas and Betas before actual release also says a lot. If they don't spend 6 months (OS components, OSes, games,etc) at the very least after the last Beta for a big software, it'll pretty much tells you that things are still buggy.Last edited by UpsetingFact; 04 February 2018, 12:54 PM.
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Originally posted by Linuxhippy View PostI wonder how GTK4 will fare regarding performance.
Each new GTK+ major release regressed quite a bit (well from a bit to significantly) performance wise (except for GTK-2.8, where the introduction of the cairo rendering backend also caused performance regressions). Now wonder - there is no automated nightly/regression testing in place - so the influence on performance of new features and refactorings of the existing code base is quite often unnoticed - untile someone complains in bugzilla a year later when the code finally hits stable distributions.
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