The FreeBSD 64-bit Base System Can Now Be Linked Using LLD

[ldo17]

Any of you idiots that use OpenImageIO, OpenEXR, OpenShadingLanguage have benefited from Larry Gritz who worked at PIXAR, then ILM and now SONY.

Certainly I have benefited from Mr Gritz’s work ... in Blender. Which is GPL.

[computerquip]

Oh, but they do. When a proprietary startup takes BSD-licensed code, and then dies, all the work they did on top of that code dies with them. But when they do the same with GPL-licensed code, at least the code lives on and can be reused by others. Why do you think Linux has conquered essentially the entire computing world, while BSD remains stuck in a niche?

Except it's not a niche. For the longest time, FreeBSD had a better networking stack than Windows or Linux, hands down. Also recall that BSD sockets is the API that formed the foundation of any networking interface today. It was the better environment and server. That argument can still easily be made. The only difference is that it doesn't have the same support as Linux does. Your argument that because Linux wins the popularity contest that it's the better of the two is absolutely fallacious.

In addition to that, forcing someone to open their code is debatably not the way to do things. If a company or group wants to open their code, they will do so willingly. Otherwise, they will simply find an alternative. It's actually not that hard of a concept, even if you disagree with it. If a codebase that is under the MIT license was used in a closed-source product and never released, the alternative scenario is that the proprietary software never used the MIT licensed codebase. Either way, you're going to lose. You might as well be productive while you're at it.

EDIT: I also use the term "lose" loosely. You don't really lose anything. You just don't gain anything.

[ldo17]

Except it's not a niche. ... The only difference is that it doesn't have the same support as Linux does.

And there, in a nutshell, is where you contradict yourself and admit my point.

[rmoog]

BSD advocates, Sony pretty much wrote a GL stack for RSX, so that'd be really nice to have back in GPL.

[computerquip]

And there, in a nutshell, is where you contradict yourself and admit my point.

Your point is that because Linux is popular, it's the better of the two choices. That's fallacious logic. They don't correlate.

[ldo17]

Your point is that because Linux is popular, it's the better of the two choices.

Certainly it has the better licence: one that demands share-and-share-alike. That is in fact the more business-friendly licence, even though many businesses may not like it (it forces them to compete on a level playing field). That is why it has achieved such widespread business adoption.

[computerquip]

Certainly it has the better licence: one that demands share-and-share-alike. That is in fact the more business-friendly licence, even though many businesses may not like it (it forces them to compete on a level playing field). That is why it has achieved such widespread business adoption.

[aht0]

I call bullshit.

https://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donors/

Do you have any proof for these claims? I don't see Sony on the list of BSD donors. Couldn't find any Press Releases about Sony giving back any code, nevermind "substantially".

Sony could be one of the "anonymous" ones. Though I doubt it myself.

It seems they mean sectarian and code stealing benefits. Please look at PS4 Operating System for a great example

-Legally, they haven't stealen shit. License allows for it.
-Morally, you DID NOT write the BSD licensed code or parts of it, so you have zero rights for critizing someone who did provide the code and who did use it, even by your own ethics-it's simply none of your business.
-Socially, your mores do not apply on the Japanese.

Come out of your fucking bubble and realize for once that your Christian ethics (or the very lack of it) does not apply universally. At the moment you act much like rural village boy from African hinterlands first time in the Western city, assuming every woman he can see is a whore. Why? Because his upbringing suggests that every uncovered woman must be one. Without "if's" and "but's".

You do assume that "not giving back after 'taking' something is a theft". Well, let me give you another example: Gipsies have tactics where they offer you "free whatever". And then are going to demand counter-gift. In the form of money most often. "Wrong" from your point of view? Not by theirs. They do have moral code but it's applied only among themselves and their clan - not to "outsiders". Limit of what they can do to you is only limited by your own stupidity, it does not bother them in the least. So, to make it short: habits, customs, mores, ethics differ from nation to nation, from culture to culture. Only very stupid or arrogant person tries to judge everybody else by his own "makeup".

So, are you acting like a moron here on the forum just for the sake of having an easy argument in another endless "GPL vs BSD license", or you actually are one?

[ldo17]

You do assume that "not giving back after 'taking' something is a theft".

It is certainly freeloading.

[aht0]

It is certainly freeloading.

Do you like your free will of doing things?
If yes, then man up and quit whining about BSD devs willingness to have things exactly like this. It's their choice. And if they wanted, they could change it in a heartbeat. Unlike Linux, BSD is not in the least stuck on licenses it's using. Can't see what is there to argue about. '

One party likes it's licenses certain way, the other party quite a different way. Shitty part is, the former bunch imagines themselves to be some sort of revolutionary "world-fixers"- "ultimate moral authority" if you say so, and would like to enforce their own rules on the latter party as well. They can't really, but thats not stopping them whining about it endlessly and pointing out the "wrong". Seems quite nice crowd, isn't it?

Freedom of the software, but lets discriminate against the more free licenses because it's apparently normal to assume everyone else around you must also have the mentalitify of the thief.

Let's drop a cigarette on the cover of the thrash bin next to a bum - but beat the fucker up unless he drops YOU some coins in return. Because he obviously had "freeloaded" that cigarette 2 sec later and you got nothing in return. Mentality of an bully as well, as it comes out.

Fucking let the BSD licenses lie in peace for once. They also benefit Linux somewhat. Multiplicity of OSes is good.