Bunch of regressions after forum upgrage...

[SystemCrasher]

There are bunch of regressions after upgrade to new vBulletin...

1. It does not works without JS (like previous version did), hence a regression. There is no way to log in, etc unless JS enabled.
2. Furthermore, it accesses some third-party resource ("ajax.googleapis.com"). Not really sure why I should report to Google every time I log in it to Phoronix...
3. Login form of forum does not appears when I use HTTPS. It slides down if I use usual http address, so I can log in via plain HTTP. However, if I use HTTPS, there is just some small white rectangle slides down instead of actual form. So I can't use https in place where it actually needed - during forum login . Works fine otherwise, but what it worth of, if I have to send my login data as plaintext?
4. Now there is no way to resize message entry form before I start typing. Earlier is was more or less standard form where I can just use mouse to drag it to size of my screen to get idea how it would appear. Now it would auto expand itself. I hate this resizing attitude. It causes form jumping and I do not like it.
5. Fancy error messages! Sure, there was "some" error. But I have no idea how to troubleshoot it. Guess why?! (seems to occur when log in session times out or IP changes, etc). Strange vB does not handles very common cases properly.
6. Not to mention it could be exceptionally annoying if such error message dares to pop up right when you typing your message.
7. All users are now Noobs. Ahem, Juniors.
8. ....and "you're not authorised to create or remove attach". Oh, for the real? So I can't even post screen shot easly?

On side not I can also admit I do not like these blue buttons at bottom of page. They look weird. However, I guess it's matter of personal tastes. And my overall experience would rather sound like "damn, how the hell forum could be so bugged/troublesome to use?"

[Michael]

There are bunch of regressions after upgrade to new vBulletin...

1. It does not works without JS (like previous version did), hence a regression. There is no way to log in, etc unless JS enabled.
2. Furthermore, it accesses some third-party resource ("ajax.googleapis.com"). Not really sure why I should report to Google every time I log in it to Phoronix...
3. Login form of forum does not appears when I use HTTPS. It slides down if I use usual http address, so I can log in via plain HTTP. However, if I use HTTPS, there is just some small white rectangle slides down instead of actual form. So I can't use https in place where it actually needed - during forum login . Works fine otherwise, but what it worth of, if I have to send my login data as plaintext?
4. Now there is no way to resize message entry form before I start typing. Earlier is was more or less standard form where I can just use mouse to drag it to size of my screen to get idea how it would appear. Now it would auto expand itself. I hate this resizing attitude. It causes form jumping and I do not like it.
5. Fancy error messages! Sure, there was "some" error. But I have no idea how to troubleshoot it. Guess why?! (seems to occur when log in session times out or IP changes, etc). Strange vB does not handles very common cases properly.
6. Not to mention it could be exceptionally annoying if such error message dares to pop up right when you typing your message.
7. All users are now Noobs. Ahem, Juniors.
8. ....and "you're not authorised to create or remove attach". Oh, for the real? So I can't even post screen shot easly?

On side not I can also admit I do not like these blue buttons at bottom of page. They look weird. However, I guess it's matter of personal tastes. And my overall experience would rather sound like "damn, how the hell forum could be so bugged/troublesome to use?"

They're mostly issues with upstream vBulletin 5.... Sans the blue buttons, that's a style/theme issue I messed up on that I still need to figure out. Unfortunately with my time available and not being too familiar with the alternative forum software that's come about lately and would be suitable, not many immediate changes besides hoping that vB5 will be improved upstream...

[seba]

There are bunch of regressions after upgrade to new vBulletin...

1. It does not works without JS (like previous version did), hence a regression. There is no way to log in, etc unless JS enabled.
2. Furthermore, it accesses some third-party resource ("ajax.googleapis.com"). Not really sure why I should report to Google every time I log in it to Phoronix...

#1 People should really get over this, JS is an integral part of any modern website or webapp, just like HTML so this is a no issue on this day and age.
#2 Another non-issue, no one is reporting anything to Google, the forum is downloading Jquery from Google CDN a standard practice nowadays so that we can all enjoy a more faster website at load.

Cheers.

[duby229]

#1 People should really get over this, JS is an integral part of any modern website or webapp, just like HTML so this is a no issue on this day and age.
#2 Another non-issue, no one is reporting anything to Google, the forum is downloading Jquery from Google CDN a standard practice nowadays so that we can all enjoy a more faster website at load.

Cheers.

1: You are too trusting. I've seen the most arrogant things possible in js. It needs to be blocked for most websites.
2: How does loading more code speed up load time?

[Serafean]

#1 People should really get over this, JS is an integral part of any modern website or webapp, just like HTML so this is a no issue on this day and age.
#2 Another non-issue, no one is reporting anything to Google, the forum is downloading Jquery from Google CDN a standard practice nowadays so that we can all enjoy a more faster website at load.

Cheers.

#1 JS is like downloading, installing and running software that I never asked for. How much do you trust binaries from a random server on the internet?

[SystemCrasher]

Btw...

1) I nailed down #3 cause under network monitor of Firefox. Phoronix server seems to be miscoinfigured (some vhosts or rewrites issue?). If one requests HTTPS version, server would use insecure HTTP URLs half of time anyway. This both gives false sense of security - half of requests are still going unencrypted HTTP while it may be not immedialtely obvious to user. And then it breaks various things in many fancy ways due to secure <-> insecure boundaries crossing. Though it appears working in many cases, it is actually false impression.

Simple test case: go to https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=home (secure version of phoronix main page) and then try to take a look on some message from "popular forum threads" right-side pane - open link in new tab of browser. While it initially looks like secure (HTTPS) link, it would do some weird redirect and at the end of day you'll end up on HTTP (non-secure) version of forum.

Now more fancy part: when you explicitly request https://www.phoronix.com/forums/... (SSLed forum version), fancy thing is that this super-duper JS based login form would try to appear in ... unencrypted (!!!!!) iframe which attempts to load via usual HTTP (insecure). So while site appears to be "secure", forum would actually try to use unencrypted form for user's credentials. This weird condition seems to be recognized by browser and insecure HTTP iframe just fails to load into secured page. That's why I only see dumb white square.

All this indicates some internal errors where server does not properly deals with URLs and occasionally gives out http links when it supposed to be https version of site, eventually breaking various things. Most fancy of which seems to end in serving unencrypted login form (!!!) on seemingly https web site. I wonder if some browsers are just silently sending credentials unencrypted? Or how the hell it can go unnoticed by others?

2) As for JS, I wish JS lovers to burn in hell. On slow fire. I'm even agree to become demon who maintains that fire, so you JS lovers would get idea how I love you, too. JS is capable of doing way too much potentially annoying or harmful things. Periodic popup messages which are blocking text input is one of examples how it could be annoying beyond any acceptable limits. And on side note, new version of vB seems to be awfully bugged/troublesome. Now I know what forum software I can recommend to my enemies. Vbulletin 5.1.6. It is just horrible in terms of bugs and annoyances . So if I'll eventually disappear from forum, it means I no longer can withstand such an awful forum software.

On side note, Phoronix wins my personal "worst login form implementation ever" award.