Microsoft Joins The Linux Foundation As A Platinum Member

[chithanh]

PC is the only platform that enables the user to upgrade/downgrade essential parts of a computer: CPU, motherboard, GPU, memory, disks, network card, maybe an FPGA card in the future.

That is no longer the case with Notebooks, which have the majority market share of PCs nowadays. It is very common now to see CPU, SSD, RAM soldered on board).

The main issue for the user is to keep PC (desktop) data synchronized with the mobile devices (notebook).

Notebooks are not mobile devices. Notebooks are portable.
Mobile is what rings in your pocket and can be used while walking.

Microsoft is winning PC market because they have one version of UI, one version of api and everything is backwards compatible. There is software made 20 years ago and still you can run it on latest version of Windows. Can you do this in Linux ?

Actually, you can run Win16 software in amd64 Linux distros using Wine, something which Microsoft chose not to support on x64 Windows.

[starshipeleven]

If you really insist the pleasure is mine.

Nice sockpuppet name, btw.

[ossuser]

Lets not go that far. It simply won't happen. World is not USA only. Each country has its own law, just like each user has hers/his own needs or favorite software. No one can forbid you to write your own piece of software and let it live its own life in the web. The name "open source" + license of the source code states it clearly what you can do with it. Your statement sounds like a FUD to me.

We'll see.

[starshipeleven]

Microsoft was dominating in the PC market long before Secureboot. The problem is that the PC market is shrinking every day and there is no big company willing to invest into desktop linux distribution. Only Canonical is trying, but still no profits from Ubuntu for desktop. RedHat and Suse are using theirs desktop distributions (Fedora/OpenSuse) just to test the software before integrating it in the server distributions.

Ok this is correct.

Everything what is done in the Linux desktop world is done by enthusiasts and with no long term planning. There are gazillions of UIs but no that fits everybody needs.

Yeah, a UI that fits everybody is a bit like the Holy Grail though.

Every distro is using it's own package manager just to make the live hell to software producers.

FYI: software producers that release sources don't need to worry about that as most of such software is packaged by distro mantainers.
Even if so, it's not really anywhere as bad, package managers are glorified auto-extracting systems.

Every distro is shiping different versions of libraries, so if you want your software to work everywhere you need to statically link everything and to include it in your package

Not unlike windows, anyway. Ever looked in installation folders? Btw, statically linking is usually retarded, most people ship libraries with the software.

and here it is new package systems were introduced: SNAP and FlatPak, maybe more will come.

Appears to be completely oblivious to the fact that these two package managers are designed with the needs of third party application producers in mind.

Microsoft is winning PC market because they have one version of UI, one version of api and everything is backwards compatible. There is software made 20 years ago and still you can run it on latest version of Windows. Can you do this in Linux?

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You have no fucking idea of what you are talking about here.

[pal666]

They're basically Linux's biggest competitor

i'm pretty sure they are not competitor of linux foundation

and the ones who profit most from downswings in Linux market shares, they have a massive conflict of interest here...

so you demand to forbid them selling linux instances on azure ?

[pal666]

Couldn't they just fuckoff instead? By the way, can you just buy in this club without anyone could prevent you from doing so?!?

why so many idiots think this club is LINUX ? this is just some organization with some stated linux-related goals. don't like it ? make your own ffs. linux exists separately from it

[pal666]

Historically, Microsoft wants to dominate.

But Microsoft's clients want to be able to run Linux, so Microsoft invests in Linux.
Microsoft also invests in virtualisation.
And then there is SecureBoot, which is dominated by Microsoft.
So, Microsoft invests in being able to run Linux from within Windows.

Clients happy, and with the SecureBoot lockdown that I see coming, the only way to run open source is from within Windows.

So, basically you won't own your system anymore, because you can't boot your own kernel.
Microsoft wins, and dominates the PC platform.

what loads of bullshit
why not just skip investing in linux part and then in the end you have no way to run open source at all?

[pal666]

there is no big company willing to invest into desktop linux distribution

lol, is google not big enough for you ?

[pal666]

btw, i've heard chromebooks are growing on shrinking market

[pal666]

Everything what is done in the Linux desktop world is done by enthusiasts and with no long term planning.

that is bullshit. for example, i consider mesa, xorg and gnome pretty desktopy

Microsoft is winning PC market because they have one version of UI, one version of api and everything is backwards compatible.

bullshit again. they are changing ui with every release
they won pc market due to shady business practices and since then they are just leveraging their monopoly, which is simple. they won zero markets without monopoly since then. how does their fucking one ui and compatibility help them in smartphones? it doesn't, because it doesn't matter