I No Longer Have Any Trust In The Nest Protect

[Michael]

Looks like Nest will be replacing all of my units in my house with the newer revision, so will be giving them another chance.

[Michael]

I dont really get why people are forced to have this things nowadays. Its the same fearmaking than with terrorism. I evenn somethimes think its the same reason, to mass survalence everybody.

My primary motivation in wanting a "smart" smoke detector is to be notified on my phone if an alarm goes off and I'm outside or not home... While I do have one smoke detector connected to my security system, but I think they call 911 before notifying me and doesn't give the accuracy of per-room reporting like Nest does.

[Nth_man]

For example, to avoid being invaded, in Switzerland they have weapons kept at home as part of the military obligations, but the annual rate of homicide by any means per 100,000 population was 0.70, which is one of the lowest in the world.
-- 'Calculated Rates ? Switzerland.? Historical Population Data ? USCB International Data Base. Suitland, MD: US Census Bureau Population Division.

[blackiwid]

switzerland is a good example they have very strict weapon law, just the pure numbers of weapons is not enough to messure, its the rules around them:

only 2000 specialists are permitted to keep military-issued ammunitation at home, before 2007 you had a sealed box for that so also not for using and they audited that.

generaly forbidden is the armor piercing bullets,....

you cant carry your weapon if you dont get a permid, which only people working in security get. you have to make plausible that you want to protect something from a SPECIFIC not only general theoretical danger.

also most crimes happen with small weopons pistols, running around with such military weapons is maybe good to make a amok run, but for normal crime its pretty unpractical.

gereralf forbidden are machine guns, autamatic knife..., butterfly knife, throwing knife, ...

And of course crime has different reasons A you need a reason most of the time and B you need the tools and maybe C a bit its also cultural. If we ignore for a moment C what I think is the smallest factor, of course reducing you gini coefficient would reduce crimes also, but I think to reach that in usa is even more unrealistic than at least make the weapon laws a bit strikter.

So we could make a formular which is maybe not 100% right but comes close to the reality:

very poor people * weapons/ammunition around * ?% that go through with it = murder/homocite rate.

but even if you could really lower the gini index, there are still that many kids that shoot themself or another child in the face because they play around with the weopons that lay around everywhere. that have to live their hole live with the wisdom that they are responsible for the death of their best friend, or at least that is what they think. And with that picture burned in their brain.

And another point people said they needed the weapon to get rid of a really bad government, first that would only be needed if the police dont help you to get rid of it, so you want to shoot all police officers with it, to get rid of the government? 2nd how much worse can it get, if you mean that in reality do it now.

Also, we have that right too, art. 20 in our constitution of germany allows us to use EVERY way to get rid of a government that attack our constitution, so you dont need to have laws to have weapons in normal times to keep this freedom.

Why do we kind of trust foss software because some of us look over most part of it, so we dont need every person that uses it have to study every sourcecode we use. So why do all of us have to know how to fire arms and have some. if that would be needed you would get weapons easy and you dont need 400mio us people with fire arms to get rid of a government. so give 10mio the weapons under strikt laws people you trust, and all is fine. and give them 1 weopon or 2 not each of them 100.

So all your arguments are not enough to forbid at least small chances to weapon laws, you americans sound like religious about weapons. there is then no logic or anything anymore even many of very liberal person go completly redneck with weapon laws.

[Nth_man]

It's useful to have: a registry of weapons; requirements and examinations in order to have a weapon to defend yourself as the police has, etc. (although they are happily ignored by thieves, rapists, etc. because they simply buy their weapons in the black market and carry them to your home).

One person named John wrote about his case:

I live in a rural area and the Sheriff’s department is 20 miles away. If I need them in the middle of the night, the chances of a deputy being in my area are slim to none.

> [...]

I've had an 870 Wingmaster for 30 years. Chambering a round in the 870 is almost as loud as its blast! The sound of the chambering has allowed me to thwart several trespassers from my property without ever pull the trigger.

-- John

[monraaf]

same issue here btw

https://twitter.com/lukasoni/status/502004497309507584

[SystemCrasher]

My primary motivation in wanting a "smart" smoke detector is to be notified on my phone if an alarm goes off and I'm outside or not home...

So, your wish has been granted: you've got smartass device which knows better when sound alarm... and no way to get rid of alarm, he-he.

And I think manufacturer of this neat cool thing made some omissoin: they forgot to put power switch or other reliable method to disable it. And on side note, hopefully it would learn you to TEST devices you "recommend" for at least some months or so. After all, if device is reasonably complicated (and smartass device announcing you via phone is obviously some smartass microprocessor system) - it can take a while before hitting bug. Does not mean this bug will be tasty.

[name99]

Seems like hardware bug, is it first gen or second?

http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/17/87...ect-thermostat

It seems if second gen you can silence with a phone, of course if battery in the phone is not empty

How does this help, just calling it a bug?
Nest seem to destroy everything they touch.
Dropcam was a reasonably well-functioning product when it was an independent company, but has steadily become ever more crappy since the Nest takeover. It's not jus that bugs don't get fixed, it's that they keep dicking around with the software in a way that adds no apparent useful features but keeps making what used to work work ever less well.

"Bug" is only a useful classification in the context of a company that will fix the bug fairly soon. Otherwise the word is DEFECT.

[torsionbar28]

My primary motivation in wanting a "smart" smoke detector is to be notified on my phone if an alarm goes off and I'm outside or not home... While I do have one smoke detector connected to my security system, but I think they call 911 before notifying me and doesn't give the accuracy of per-room reporting like Nest does.

The "smart" features are interesting, allowing for remote monitoring via phone app, but I'd be hesitant to be an early adopter. I'd also be hesitant to replace an important safety device like a smoke detector - a proven and time tested product - with an unproven newfangled device.

My preferred methodology when it comes to "smart" home devices, is to keep the proven stuff in place. I know it works, and works well. And then augment these - not replace them - with smart devices. For example, keeping the proven old smoke detectors for local notification, and installing a Nest in parallel, for remote phone app notification. Maybe even disable the audible alarm on the nest (since the old detector is performing that function) and use the Nest *only* for remote phone app notification.

Another option is to DIY, use a Raspberry Pi with a microphone. A traditional smoke detector emits an audible noise on a fixed frequency. It's loud and high pitched and pretty unique. Use the Pi to listen for sounds on this frequency, and if it "hears" them, send you an email or text message. That gets you the remote monitoring capability you're after, without compromising the proven local smoke alarm device.

[Pander]

Also this comes to mind:

http://youtu.be/bZCEvVBY4LI