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Uselessd: A Stripped Down Version Of Systemd
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Many systemd haters argue systemd is wrong project from its beginning because it tends to be odd and very complicated and is going to take control over the whole system. If it has sense, why not to switch to runit as classic SysVinit-like init? If not, why there were no serious oponenture to Lennart all the years he was hard working on systemd? Strange case... Simply use systemd if it meets your desires (or it is sipmply funcional) or switch to runit!
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Originally posted by NotMine999 View Post...remind me of the old days when people argued about "Windows versus Apple Whatever".
With all the mis-spellings, senseless rants, sockpuppetry, "confusing the issues with somewhat off-the-mark quotes", and so on...
Those of us that lived through the "OS battles" have "grown up", "had kids", and "figured out there were more important things to waste our time arguing about".
Here's to hoping this new generation, whatever they are called, follows the same path as us oldsters....
The only difference is today's minutia is fixated on low level services [something virtually no one gives a crap about beyond working well and staying out of the way of effing up your user space experience].
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"is" or "has been"?
Originally posted by pininety View PostSystemd IS modular. Read http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html, first Myth.
But most distros just do not bother with this because most elements are very handy for them.
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Systemd stripped down to a pure init replacement (i.e. without all the crap that has been stitched to it - and especially without journald) is something I could tolerate.
At the very least this project proves that journald isn't as essential as Lennart wants to make it look.
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Originally posted by prodigy_ View PostSystemd stripped down to a pure init replacement (i.e. without all the crap that has been stitched to it - and especially without journald) is something I could tolerate.
At the very least this project proves that journald isn't as essential as Lennart wants to make it look.
You _could_ do without libraries etc, but most people probably wouldn't want to.
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Originally posted by BwackNinja View PostWhile systemd has been against supporting anything other than linux, glibc, and the like (which is well within their right to do), uselessd is doing quite the opposite and apparently succeeding at running on FreeBSD, using other libcs such as musl and uclibc, and getting rid of the gnu-isms while still managing to be a systemd-compatible init system. That makes uselessd a viable option for a lot of people where systemd is not - even before you start talking about how they've stripped down systemd.
Originally posted by uselessd FAQSo far, uselessd compiles on BSD libc with a kiloton of warnings, with lots of gaps and comments in the code, and macros/substitutions in other places. All in all, it is an eldritch abomination.
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Because of its very early and unstable nature (read: it doesn't work), we do not officially package it yet.
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Originally posted by pjezek View Post... why not to switch to runit as classic SysVinit-like init? ...
Originally posted by pjezek View Post... why there were no serious oponenture to Lennart ...
@pininety:
... if a libc which claims to be compatible with glibc ...
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Originally posted by pjezek View PostModularity of systemd is not a mantra but dependancy of its level of complexity. More complex (integrating more and more from system and user-space) systemd will be, less modular can be.
Originally posted by pjezek View PostWhy huge linux distros suffer from "dependancy hell" whilst light ones do not?
Either I want a package and need its dependencies or not. Hell only comes into play then you have a lot
of packages depending on say a lib but they all need different versions (or are incompatible with a new version of this lib)
If you mean "huge distros install a lot of stuff I do not want and that causes trouble" then you are right.
But huge distros normally cater to a big audience so something that you see as useless might be essential to work out of the box for the next guy.
Originally posted by pjezek View PostWe have runit as a SysVinit-style init so let us use it instead systemd if systemd seems to be a problem. If we have no conceptual problem with systemd, give our paches or enhencement ideas to Lennart to lead systemd to optimality.
Originally posted by pjezek View PostBy the way, you may keep attention of what has been with systemd and what is and wiil be with. Some myth busters have become quickly outdated...
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