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"The Protesters?" You haven't seen REAL protest over issues far bigger than systemd
Originally posted by sdack View PostWell, it is what he did. He chose to insult, because he sees his "cookies" threatened by the protest. He made a bad choice (see forum rules, too). There is really very little love in his insult and you should not follow his lead.
The protesters can formulate their needs better than this and what arguments could one bring forward when he demands "cookies". Cookies are pure bliss and you should have gone with Microsoft for this when it is bliss you want. They do produce bliss products like one OS for all, one office suite for all, one browser for all, etc. - they even make Teletubbies to sell bliss to babies. FOSS is however not about bliss. It is about freedom, conflict, competition, choice, much like evolution itself.
No online debate about systemd can hold a candle to people in Ferguson duking it out with police armored vehicles, or even to protesters on bicycles having to ram through police lines to escape an illegal mass arrest. Hell, even a silent vigil outside a fur shop is a real protest, let's just say real protest is executed in "real mode" and I'm not talking about 16 bit either.
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Originally posted by sdack View PostNo. You know nothing about future problems. We all have to deal with problems of the future. systemd will bring its own problems and these will add to all other problems. systemd only now solves some problems of the present, but these are problems not everyone is actually sharing, all while some of us can already see where some of the future problems are likely to be found judging only by what has been lost and because every software is a solution to an older problem.
Nobody is however saying they know what the future will look like, only that we do not wish to repeat old mistakes and do not want to find us solving old problems again. Young people, who know little about the past, will not even notice it and see all future problems as new problems.
Does this make any sense to you at all?
I honestly can't figure out what people's beef is, before this, we had everything being compatible with sysvinit. Now, we'll have it be compatible with systemd (or sysvinit still if you like). And systemd will still be able to be replaced in one way or another in the future.
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Originally posted by profoundWHALE View PostNot really, considering that Debian decided on it for the very reason of it helping in the future and already being very good.
I honestly can't figure out what people's beef is, before this, we had everything being compatible with sysvinit. Now, we'll have it be compatible with systemd (or sysvinit still if you like). And systemd will still be able to be replaced in one way or another in the future.
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Originally posted by sdack View PostFor what it is worth, I believed you when you say it means nothing to you. It was the most believable comment you have made and it came across as honest. You were convincing.
Originally posted by psychoticmeow View PostThis entire conversation means nothing to me, because you don't bring anything worth reading to the table.
Originally posted by sdack View PostNo. You know nothing about future problems. We all have to deal with problems of the future. systemd will bring its own problems and these will add to all other problems. systemd only now solves some problems of the present, but these are problems not everyone is actually sharing, all while some of us can already see where some of the future problems are likely to be found judging only by what has been lost and because every software is a solution to an older problem.
Nobody is however saying they know what the future will look like, only that we do not wish to repeat old mistakes and do not want to find us solving old problems again. Young people, who know little about the past, will not even notice it and see all future problems as new problems.
Does this make any sense to you at all?
Originally posted by sdack View PostYou have just saved me a whole lot of responses trying to explain any of it to you. Thanks!
Originally posted by sdack View PostWhy do you say "not really"? You are agreeing with some of it when you believe systemd will be replaced in the future. Which part of it does not make sense?
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Originally posted by sdack View PostWhy do you say "not really"? You are agreeing with some of it when you believe systemd will be replaced in the future. Which part of it does not make sense?
Do I think systemd is going to solve more problems in the future than it causes? Definitely.
Do I think it's worth the switch from sysvinit or whatever else? Definitely.
Do I think it should be the only option? Not at all.
There's always going to be a use case somewhere where another init will do a particular something better.
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