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  • deanjo
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    Originally posted by Hephasteus View Post
    Ok so If I come to your house and beat you senseless and toture you then your family and people who care about you are not allowed to rejoice over my death. You said it first. Or was that statement just hipocracy?
    So you are saying that Steve Jobs came over to your house and beat you senseless and tortured you and your family?

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  • Hephasteus
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    Originally posted by Del_ View Post
    Please refrain from such statements. Neither of us should rejoice over anybody's death.

    I have my grievances with Apple and Steve Jobs, but they did a lot of good stuff too. I am grateful for their contributions to CUPS and xserver. Moreover, they help to promote OpenGL and even initiated OpenCL.
    Ok so If I come to your house and beat you senseless and toture you then your family and people who care about you are not allowed to rejoice over my death. You said it first. Or was that statement just hipocracy?

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  • XorEaxEax
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    Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
    No he's not. He's just a sad little man attacking a dead guy that he demonized for daring to make money from his software.
    Bullshit much? Stallman's problem with Jobs is that of limited end-user freedom, not exactly surprising given that the rights of end-users is everything Stallman is about. Whether or not Jobs made money from his software obviously has nothing to do with it (companies ARE making lots of money from GPL-licenced code). It's ok not to agree with Stallman, but why resort to lies rather than voice REAL arguments (assuming you have any) ? And I'm someone who DOES NOT subscribe to Stallman's vilification of proprietary code and will argue against that when such discussion arise.

    Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
    The philosophy of sharing code existed before that man and it will exist long after he's gone.
    Certainly, but the licence he created is and will most likely remain the most popular open source licence by far.

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  • urfe
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    How exactly is Steve Jobs 'greedy and evil', when the man drove a 2008 car and owned a 1960 motorcycle, his wife has several charitable organisations, he donated moeney to fight AIDS in Africa and tore down his house to build a smaller one with only 5 bedrooms and a three-car garage? And stop comparing him to Bill Gates or his actions, he's not even in the Top 100 wealthiest men. But, hey, if he keeps shares in the industries he helped create or shaped (Pixar-Disney, Apple) he's a demon! And if I highlight this, then decency goes out the window - because Free Software and GPL... well, something.

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  • yogi_berra
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    Originally posted by scjet View Post
    But the underlying philosopdy of GPL is another different fact.
    And what philosophy is that? To have a license that is so confusing even one of its authors can't seem to follow it correctly?

    The philosophy of sharing code existed before that man and it will exist long after he's gone.

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  • susikala
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    Originally posted by scjet View Post
    I also emphatically said Stallman was "cold-hearted",..., regarding Job's death, if you would have read the rest of my post, since u were likely searching all posts' in here with "Stallman" in the words.
    so I do agree with you on that point. Stallman, enotionally is a fanatical retard. But the underlying philosopdy of GPL is another different fact.
    I don't see why Stallman has to be described as 'cold-hearted', or emotionally a fanatical retard. In that post he was very correct (not necessarily politically though, but that just means he didn't lie and mask his opinion with some politically sounding bullocks) and to the point. He said it VERY clearly, with every bit of compression as you'd expect from a human being. Do I need to quote it to all of you? Here:

    Steve Jobs, the pioneer of the computer as a jail made cool, designed to sever fools from their freedom, has died.

    As Chicago Mayor Harold Washington said of the corrupt former Mayor Daley, "I'm not glad he's dead, but I'm glad he's gone." Nobody deserves to have to die - not Jobs, not Mr. Bill, not even people guilty of bigger evils than theirs. But we all deserve the end of Jobs' malign influence on people's computing.
    Yes. He's practically saying he doesn't care if jobs went off to live on a remote island. He's happy he's gone, he's happy his malign influence is not there anymore to disrupt the minds and enslave so many.

    I mean, what the hell is wrong with this world? A power obsessive, self indulgent, tyrannical 'businessman' as some of you would have it here gets recognised for making the world is a much worse place, and a person who works all his life, very diligently and with an unfaltering and truthful attitude, being vocal and true about his beliefs everywhere, in order to make a better world for everyone, gets the gall and hate of everyone? What is wrong with people? Is money a religion so strong that it would completely twist your sense of what's wrong and right? It doesn't matter whether your grandmas can compiler her software or even cares the least bit about anything related to computers. It is a total logical flaw to think that the level, amount or specific possibility of application or real physical application of some right should be decisive in whether the right itself should exist or not. So should anyone out there who doesn't exercise their right to free speech (if it exists where they live) be devoid of the right to use it? Because I'd be really happy to see all the apple fanboys shut the **** up.

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  • Qaridarium
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    Originally posted by urfe View Post
    We, thank you for having the decency to edit it out. But I will not address your or any of your points.
    Well good thing we're on a technology board, then, and not in business ethics.

    About Wikipedia: please read what I wrote about it in the following posts (if you don't want to search for it, here it is: you can't just post snippets out form someone's speech/book and use it as proof. People directly involved with Steve Jobs knew better than any of those anonymous Wiki editors, and if they respected him for what he did, it means damn more than a <quote> on a forum. Look up what Wozniak had to say about him, if you're so interested in his off-stage character).
    And the conductors role is to exploit the pianist... Please remember that Steve created more than Apple: Pixar and NeXT. Both successful and with great influence. No one will remember him as an engineer - this is out of the question.
    Also, once Steve was forced to leave, Apple went down - so, voila, your precious engineers are not always the only good investement. This is what he was great for. If you refuse to acknolewdge that, then you're dimissing how actually any project works.
    You need to grow up. The consumer is not a victim, he's the one making the choice.
    You also shouldn't have 3600+ posts on an Internet forum if you're as 'brainwashing resistant' as you claim, because no one anchorded in reality would waste all that precious time arguing like a veritable news-consumer, without any real goals, on a Internet forum (and I will follow my advice, thank you).
    I'm always a Advocatus Diaboli no "business ethics" forum here? you are lucky. sure we are on a technology board but on a FREEDOME technology board and only brain death people call apple product a FREEDOME Technology...

    "Don't use memes in a conversation, they're brain-dead jokes."

    if you think there was no valid point you just don't get it i do not Quote wikipedia i quote the sources of wikipedia BIG difference! i quote 3 parts of wikipedia with SOURCE you just don'T have the right in arguing against wikipedia because there is no wikipedia in my argumentation i just tell you that the sources of wikipedia prove Steve Jobs as a Evil person!

    maybe we can talk about the sources instead talking bullshit about wikipedia?

    "^ Letters ? General Questions Answered, Woz.org
    Wozniak, Steven: "iWoz", a: pp. 147?48, b: p. 180. W. W. Norton, 2006. ISBN 978-0-393-06143-7
    Kent, Stevn: "The Ultimate History of Video Games", pp. 71?3. Three Rivers, 2001. ISBN 0-7615-3643-4
    "Breakout". Arcade History. June 25, 2002. Retrieved April 19, 2010.
    "Classic Gaming: A Complete History of Breakout". Classicgaming.gamespy.com. Retrieved April 19, 2010."

    ↑ William L. Simon, Jeffrey E. Young: Steve Jobs: Und die Erfolgsgeschichte von Apple. Fischer (Tb.), Frankfurt, 2007, ISBN 9783596170791.

    ^ "Richard Stallman's dissenting view on Steve Jobs". Los Angeles Times. 8 October 2011. Retrieved 10 October 2011.

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  • scjet
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    Originally posted by bridgman View Post
    ... except for the little time-travel problem -- MacOS built on Nextstep, and development work on Nextstep started ~4 years before the first version of Linux existed.
    point taken, thankyou for correcting that. the end result became the same,... nonetheless. -Lol

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  • scjet
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    Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
    No he's not. He's just a sad little man attacking a dead guy that he demonized for daring to make money from his software.
    I also emphatically said Stallman was "cold-hearted",..., regarding Job's death, if you would have read the rest of my post, since u were likely searching all posts' in here with "Stallman" in the words.
    so I do agree with you on that point. Stallman, enotionally is a fanatical retard. But the underlying philosopdy of GPL is another different fact.

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  • Qaridarium
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    Originally posted by bridgman View Post
    ... except for the little time-travel problem -- MacOS built on Nextstep, and development work on Nextstep started ~4 years before the first version of Linux existed.
    LOL good point

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