Linux Kernel Preparing New Guidelines For Using Inclusive Terminology

[starshipeleven]

If there is one constant in the universe that you can rely on, it is the obsession that Europeans have with their healthcare.

It's nice to know that if I have a serious life-threatening issue I won't become a deb-slave for the rest of my life.

There is literally people that let themselves (or their family members) die because of that.

[_ONH_]

The inconsiderate people should try to understand the point he makes in this video.

https://youtu.be/iv4N3NUNOt8?t=2607

[cesarcafe]

The shocking thing about left ideals is how the language is perverted in such a way that its meaning gets completely reversed.

For example, you said there's no link between copyleft licenses and communism, yet when I mention that the GNU manifest is communist, your reply is:

[...] yeah they are communists allright.

...which leads you to the conclusion that some communists wrote a manifesto promoting capitalist licenses because public domain and copyrights were too communist. Brilliant for a monologue, but on the other hand it's very telling about how leftish ideas pervert language and reverse meaning.

And that's not all. When asking who has such a great power in order to enforce this language modification into the kernel, your reply is:

the kernel maintainers

...which leads to a shocking conclusion considering you reacted against Linux being a communist OS (an idea which, by the way, I disagree with, because a GNU-less Linux would be possible -without the current kernel, of course).

[oleid]

BLM founders openly claim they are “trained marxists”. What am I supposed to do other than take them at their word?

One of the founders. But still, does this invalidate the concern of the movement? On top of that, what is the problem with marxists? That is just another world view. There are marxist parties all over Europe, usually sub 5% of the votes. In a real democracy(*), different perspectives are not a problem. They are a source of strength. Thanks for proving my point.

(*) e.g. the ones with proportional representation, where something like gerrymandering is impossible and everybody with the proper age and nationality is allowed to vote.

[rvanlaar]

One of the founders. But still, does this invalidate the concern of the movement? On top of that, what is the problem with marxists? That is just another world view.

It's not one of the founders, it's the movement. And it's not only that movement, the whole social justice game is to play on people's best instincts. Who doesn't want to fight racism right? However with their actions, it gets the whole thing backwards. It doesn't matter which words we use, still they seek offense where none was before. It won't end with changing the kernel code.

And if you don't believe, look them up. They're having discussions about why math and 2+2 = 4 is racist. Due to it being western science that forces it's worldview on other cultures. So, where would you draw the line?

To all others: It gives me great joy to see such a pushback here on phoronix.

[starshipeleven]

The shocking thing about left ideals is how the language is perverted in such a way that its meaning gets completely reversed.

That's what you get if your only understanding of capitalism and communism comes straight from 60s Cold War propaganda, or modern USA's college, you get confused if someone tells you that the actual truth is a bit more involved.

some communists wrote a manifesto

Not all communists are the same. In many cases they differ in their ideas and compromises to try to apply a highly theoretical ideology in the actual reality.

promoting capitalist licenses

copyleft license isn't "capitalist" either. It just can't be communist license because it relies on private property, but that does not automatically make it capitalist. Other ideologies are (or can be) fine with the concept of private property.

because public domain .. were too communist.

Yeah, you heard that right folks, pure unadulterated communism ideology is highly theoretical bullshit that can't exist in real life, therefore anything communist in practice is kind of weird or highly impractical if you look at it with a critical eye. Yes, socialism included as it's a derivative, it makes more sense than most others.

GNU/FSF decided that enforcing their ideology was worth sacrificing some of the purity of it.
Just like the communes in NY or something that created their own police force as soon as possible.

and copyrights

never said that. Copyright is defining some media as private property. I said that when copyrights and patents expire, then the item is no more "private property", and can be freely used by anyone.

you reacted against Linux being a communist OS

Ummmmm.... it's an oligarchy? How do you call a structure where only a small group of people holds decisional power? They are NOT elected officials, they are in many cases even "appointed" by a corporation that employs them.

Please explain how can you "seize the means of production" on Linux and make it "yours" or even "not theirs" without Torvalds coming and slapping you across the face. You can get a product, for free. And you can make modifications on it. That's all.

You violate the license and you (can) get sued, you remove the copyright headers that grants them private property over it, you (can) get sued. It's not yours, you must obey it's owner's will. Any modification must be released as opensource.

(a GNU-less Linux would be possible -without the current kernel, of course).

Android says hi.
LLVM can compile Linux now too.

[oleid]

2+2 = 4 is racist.

Really? Link please.

[cynical]

One of the founders. But still, does this invalidate the concern of the movement? On top of that, what is the problem with marxists? That is just another world view. There are marxist parties all over Europe, usually sub 5% of the votes. In a real democracy(*), different perspectives are not a problem. They are a source of strength. Thanks for proving my point.

(*) e.g. the ones with proportional representation, where something like gerrymandering is impossible and everybody with the proper age and nationality is allowed to vote.

Not one of the founders. She said "we". The movement is based on the principles of their founders. Really? You're going to ask what's wrong with Communism? They've murdered hundreds of millions. Do they still teach history in Europe? I mean I know they do in Poland because we Poles suffered under it more than most. It's sad to me that even after all that suffering you are probably going to need Americans to save you yet again.

[karolherbst]

this entire thread is pointless and hopeless

[oleid]

Not one of the founders. She said "we".

The links I found didn't talk about "we".

Really? You're going to ask what's wrong with Communism?
They've murdered hundreds of millions. Do they still teach history in Europe?

What do the ideas of Marx _directly_ have to do with world war 2?

I mean I know they do in Poland because we Poles suffered under it more than most.

As far as I recall, the right wing conservatives had quite an impact on Poland as well. Very bad times back then. My grandfathers fought in that war. But we all know that the ideologies in this conflict were merely a tool of autocratic rulers.

It's sad to me that even after all that suffering you are probably going to need Americans to save you yet again.

I'm looking forward to it. When I think about it for a moment - I am sure the Vietnamese, Nicaraguans, and Iraqis would agree.