I'm kind of ambivalent about this. I can understand the stated concerns of the X.org folks as far as they go, but they seem trivial compared to the problems of shipping the nv driver at all.
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Originally posted by stan View PostThe X.org developers are right to reject NVIDIA's unscrupulous tactics. When NVIDIA's blob crashes, as it often does, less knowledgeable users will think it's X.org's fault. The X.org developers are just trying to protect themselves and the users from this hassle. If the user has to modify the xorg.conf file and change the driver names by hand, they'll have a clue that they're using an unsupported blob.
The fact is there will always be nVidia blob bugs mistaken for Xorg bugs, no matter how strongly reminded users are that they are using an unsupported blob. Making the blob a bit inconvenient to setup will not change that in the slightest.
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Originally posted by stan View PostThe X.org developers are right to reject NVIDIA's unscrupulous tactics. When NVIDIA's blob crashes, as it often does, less knowledgeable users will think it's X.org's fault. The X.org developers are just trying to protect themselves and the users from this hassle. If the user has to modify the xorg.conf file and change the driver names by hand, they'll have a clue that they're using an unsupported blob.
You know what? The user will give up and go away, and not bother with all of this at all. Have fun with your drivers then
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Originally posted by remm View PostNV trying to forcefeed their stupid driver ... Honestly, this does it for me. I'll buy another NVidia card when pigs fly.
But what I don't get is the whole "proprietry is evil" rubbish. Freedom to choose the best tool for the job is also important, which is often subjective I admit. Sometimes, Windows *IS* the best choice *YOU*, sometimes a binary blob is the right choice for you. Hell the little EEE I'm using now is running an Atheros card, featuring the binary blob that is the HAL libraries. My big machine runs the Nvidia drivers.
Is the fuss that Nvidia submitted a bad patch and it was rejected or that Nvidia would like Xorg to autodetect if someone has gone out of their way and put the binary blob on their system? Or that Nvidia are not showing any intention of following AMD/ATi, Intel and VIA's lead?
Personally a bad patch is meh. Detecting the binary driver and using it (without breaking the whole of X in the process) would be nice. Not following the lead of others is IMHO silly, but hey they can do what they want on that front.
TBQFH my next laptop will probably have an Intel gfx system in it due to their increased Linux support but that's just me.
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Hell the little EEE I'm using now is running an Atheros card, featuring the binary blob that is the HAL libraries.
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Originally posted by deanjo View PostIt also looks like the distro's are getting behind it. Stefan Dirsch from opensuse already replied.
They were the first distro to ship Flash, Java, and Adobe, the only one at the time with closed-source configuration tools (YAST2), and the only one of the big boys that didn't offer their OS for free (SUSE was only available for download as a LiveCD until version 9.0 I think)
Again, nothing is wrong with that, as that's what their user base expects them to do. I'm merely stating that SUSE isn't exactly the best supporting argument. They've always been the most commercial and the most "Windows Like" of the majors. Their main focus has always been giving the users what they want at any cost. Hell they'd ship the OS with a virus if they thought it would get them more users.
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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack View PostCome on man, it's SUSE. SUSE has always been the most commercial and the most proprietary. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but let's be realistic and consider the source.
They were the first distro to ship Flash, Java, and Adobe, the only one at the time with closed-source configuration tools (YAST2), and the only one of the big boys that didn't offer their OS for free (SUSE was only available for download as a LiveCD until version 9.0 I think)
Again, nothing is wrong with that, as that's what their user base expects them to do. I'm merely stating that SUSE isn't exactly the best supporting argument. They've always been the most commercial and the most "Windows Like" of the majors. Their main focus has always been giving the users what they want at any cost. Hell they'd ship the OS with a virus if they thought it would get them more users.
I think this is a good thing, because most distros do manually make a xorg.conf with their own tool, and the faults of the Nvidia driver shouldn't be placed on the X devs.
This situation barely has to do with OSS fanaticism, it's about the X devs getting bug reports and complaints that aren't their fault
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Originally posted by some-guy View Postum, that was all before Novell bought it, now it's completely free (except the trademarks, obviously)
I think this is a good thing, because most distros do manually make a xorg.conf with their own tool, and the faults of the Nvidia driver shouldn't be placed on the X devs.
This situation barely has to do with OSS fanaticism, it's about the X devs getting bug reports and complaints that aren't their fault
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