The real question is, what's the point of removing the mioverlay code? It's not NVIDIA-specific (even though only NVIDIA currently uses it), and overlays are used all the time by high-end workstation types. Just because it's not used by the other drivers doesn't mean it's not useful.
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@muggins,
Since when is fglrx part of X.org's driver stack? Tear free video works just right now my hd3200 without fglrx and evergreen is the newest card which is not supported yet. And then that stupid list with Glide and Voodoo cards. Raise your hands if your 20yo GPU is not dead yet. Also none of these cards have been sold since the start of this freaking millenium.
Stop being full of shit, man...
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Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post@muggins,
Since when is fglrx part of X.org's driver stack?
Originally posted by V!NCENT View PostTear free video works just right now my hd3200 without fglrx and evergreen is the newest card which is not supported yet.
Originally posted by V!NCENT View PostAnd then that stupid list with Glide and Voodoo cards. Raise your hands if your 20yo GPU is not dead yet. Also none of these cards have been sold since the start of this freaking millenium.
Stop being full of shit, man...
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Originally posted by mugginz View PostOne thing I don't support is any "hang 'em high" mentality that's for sure. I don't get why some people are so quick to reach for nVidia's throat.
@Bulletxt
Maybe because the NVIDIA driver is the real only working-feature-rich GPU driver for Linux. Tell me about another driver that works good, is stable, is feature rich, is performant, like NVIDIA.
Maybe FGRLX? -> must be a joke
Maybe Ati oss driver? -> that's another joke.
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Originally posted by kraftman View PostThey never played nice and they showed many times they simply don't care about Linux users
Remember, nVidia have had consistent vendor support for Linux for many, many years now. They didn't start and then fade for awhile.
nVidia don't see releasing specs as ATI did because of their own business reasons. That aside, their blob works great for the vast majority of their users. Now solution is perfect though and they've largely been less awful than the alternatives.
Originally posted by kraftman View Postbut they only port Windows driver to Linux.
If it works, we get similar performance to what Windows users enjoy. They're not porting Windows to Linux, only parts of their driver that they also ship for the Windows platform. So do ATI by the way. They both see it as a sensible strategy.
Originally posted by kraftman View PostThey're slowly improving some things and add needed or not features, but it seems they don't care about the complaints.
Originally posted by kraftman View PostI have a very bad experience with nvidia related people.
Originally posted by kraftman View PostI even consider it's a Windows fanboys company.
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Originally posted by bulletxt View PostThey care about their users and are realistic. I can't say the same for a lot of you out there.
Blind extremism is the thing I hate most in the GNU/Linux world, even more than a blob driver.
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Originally posted by mugginz View PostIn what way do they care less about Linux users than ATI does?
As long as they integrate it into Linux what's the problem with that?
Sounds ridiculous to me. Fanbois exist on both sides of the fence. It's just that the nVidia fanbois have an easier time of it than do the ATI/AMD ones at the moment.
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Originally posted by kraftman View PostThey didn't release specifications. However, I'm not comparing them to AMD. If I said nVidia doesn't care about its users it doesn't mean AMD cares more (but when comes to specifications I think they do).
Originally posted by kraftman View PostThe question could be about this integration, it's not so good in my opinion. No KMS, slow 2D.
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Originally posted by mugginz View PostI never said it was. It doesn?t take a brain surgin to know that they shouldn?t unnecessarily break either fglrx or nVidia?s blob though.
Don?t you understand that some people need to use fglrx?
When they do, do you suggest that they reconfigure their machines to use the FLOSS drivers when they need to playback video? Doesn?t sound very inconvinient does it.
That wasn?t me who brought up those cards. Go back and read the name of the poster. Now who?s being full of shit V!NCENT.
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Originally posted by V!NCENT View PostRecurcive argumentation. A is B because B is A. What the fsck is your point? You didn?t have one, ?cus I made one: Why does the free software X.org, being a refference implemenation of X11, that has its own free drivers, stop and considder supporting a commercial closed source driver that?s in development outside of X.org, which completely doesn't give a fsck about whether X.org wants to move on or uses new tech, when it already has Noveau? Care to explain? Or care to shut up? Choose one...
Secondly, in what way would it make sense for the xorg devs to break either nVidia's blob or fglrx when so many people depend on them?
Originally posted by V!NCENT View PostOriginally posted by mugginzDon?t you understand that some people need to use fglrx?
Originally posted by V!NCENT View PostOriginally posted by mugginzWhen they do, do you suggest that they reconfigure their machines to use the FLOSS drivers when they need to playback video? Doesn?t sound very inconvinient does it.
Originally posted by V!NCENT View PostOriginally posted by mugginzThat wasn?t me who brought up those cards. Go back and read the name of the poster. Now who?s being full of shit V!NCENT.
Just to help you out, here is the post in its entirety.
Originally posted by curaga View Post2. Point me to a graphics card that is still in use that is not fully accelerating X.org due to driver difficiency.
Work in progress:
tdfx
s3virge (Copy only currently)
r128 Joseph Garvin SoC
No work started, but capable of Render acceleration:
glide
glint (supported in KAA), Coming soon (ShawnStarr)
i740
imstt
newport
impact
rendition
trident (supported in KAA)
voodoo
No work started, some chips might be capable of Render acceleration:
apm (via the voodoo rush)
cirrus (laguna?)
neomagic (256XL+ was the only one with a 3D engine) (supported in KAA)
cyrix/nsc (new GX2s have an alpha combiner)
sun{ffb,leo}
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