X.Org's XEyes 1.2 Released, Other Updated X11 Components Too

[hoohoo]

This is also a good example of how durable, consistent, and long lasting the X protocol is.You could probably fire up any x application from the 80's and it would run fine on today's X server. One might laugh at this until one tries to build and maintain any application written in JavaScript or Python where package updates constantly break the app or even worse get depreciated. X11 has been the B52 in the Linux community. It will be interesting to see how Wayland compares in this regard.

IDK that it means anything except that the core X protocols have never been changed in 20 or 30 years. That is a function of the balkanized stakeholder group not any intrinsic greatness of X.

[Shiba]

Not allowing random applications to globally read the mouse cursor position is not intrusive.
Not allowing random applications to globally read keyboard inputs is not intrusive.
Not allowing random applications to just read any X buffer they want (screen recording) is not intrusive.

Those things are basics, no sane individual would have the idea that those things are needed features.

X11/Xorg is the by far worst display stack out there, there is no excuse for it anymore.

I'm sure "sane individuals" often brag about wanting to run random garbage from the Internet.

[sdack]

Wayland is like a COVID vaccine. You think you are save and do not need it, until ...

[Mathias]

Xeyes is a useful utility for Wayland too because you can use it to determine if a window is running in Wayland or XWayland mode. Just run Xeyes and then move your cursor over the window in question. If the eyes move, it's Xwayland, otherwise it's regular Wayland.

While reading the title I kinda thought they added wayland compatibility, rendering the sole use-case of xeyes useless ;-)

[bobbie424242]

Xeyes is a useful utility for Wayland too because you can use it to determine if a window is running in Wayland or XWayland mode. Just run Xeyes and then move your cursor over the window in question. If the eyes move, it's Xwayland, otherwise it's regular Wayland.

That, or use xlsclients

[Alexmitter]

What the fuck you talking about? AutoHotkey is very popular on Windows (and works on Wine too), and it can do all the things you mentioned. ALL of them are useful, for macros, automated scripts, etc (especially in live apps, like productivity apps or games). Every power user uses it.

You're a moron. Nobody gives a shit of your pathetic casual world. Now go play on your phone with its kiddy display stack.

Windows and X11 can do it. Only trash like Wayland can't.

I haven't seen this much salt since the Hillary Campaign

[tildearrow]

Yes, exactly. Why should any application be able to read my mouse cursor position when the mouse is not on its surface, or all my global keyboard inputs, or the full X screen content whenever it feels like it. Damn you Wayland.

Hotkeys or accessibility. Or customization (say if I want a trail on the cursor or something).

Windows is as insecure as X. macOS fixes the problem by adding a permissions system, so that you have to authorize the application prior to usage.
Wayland fixes the problem by removing the ability completely, which only causes MORE trouble.

[Templar82]

It is simply that Wayland is lacking functionality required for a modern and flexible display system.

Wayland isn't lacking anything, your preferred desktop environment might be though.

[rogerx]

Finally something news worthy! Long live XEyes!

Now, just waiting for the updated Xorg components to inevitably break the binary nVidia drivers, especially the recently expired nVidia drivers!

Gee, what timing!

[tildearrow]

Everything is possible with Wayland. it only needs a protocol to be defined, then used by the server implementation (with good rights management because an app reading the global cursor position is a security issue). Easy.

And most of these protocols end up being implementation-specific. Rarely any of these make it into the official specification, and sometimes not all implementations follow it (like SSD protocols being not implemented on GNOME for no reason).