The X.Org Server Continues Cruising Along As We Approach 2019

[smitty3268]

This is a common problem in the open source world. You have far too many people with childish personalities. Just consider the hate that gets thrown at LLVM/Clang for example. From my perspective LLVM/Clang is the best thing to ever happen to GCC. It isn’t just this project either many people exhibits extreme butt hurt when something pops up to challenge their favorite piece of open source.

Yes. In fact, you see this type of push back whenever any open source program starts getting too popular or commonly used. There's inevitably a vocal group that springs up to shit all over it. Usually most of these people tend to be the type that are out to prove how much smarter they are than everyone else. They have to be counter to the "stupid sheep" and delight in telling everyone how smart they are and how terrible the new hot thing everyone loves is.

I'm not saying everyone against Wayland is like that. There are legitimate points that can be brought up, and nothing should be beyond criticism. But it shouldn't shock anyone that some people are now dead set on Wayland failing, as if their entire lives now somehow revolve around that point. It's just what these people do. If we're being honest, many of those same people are drawn to Linux/FOSS for the same reason to begin with - not because they like it, but because they are reacting against Windows and Apple (and now Google) dominance, in the same way.

[johnc]

not too much upstream activity for this mature display stack

"Mature" is just a different way of saying "perfect".

[dungeon]

X evolved a lot since i started using openbox, 'bout 15 years ago

[Vistaus]

So inevitably, DE devs were kinda forced to slowly and painfully convert their compositors. At least GNOME and KDE are in pretty good shape as of today.

Enlightenment is also in really good shape on Wayland.

[MrCooper]

[...] the fact X apps do not need to have video hardware access.

Neither do Wayland apps (nor compositors, for that matter).

Another thing that will help is the Glamour project which will allow the X server to use the same video drivers as Wayland does which will save resources and allow people to choose which environment to use.

Not sure why you're using the future tense, as this is already the case. Glamor has been part of xserver since 1.16 and is being used by the Xorg modesetting and amdgpu/radeon (with GPUs released within the last decade) drivers, as well as Xwayland and Xephyr nested X servers.

I wouid like to see the X server run as a non-root user using kernel sandboxing and fine grain kernel access controls.

This has been the case in most setups with KMS based drivers for a while.

Wayland has arrived, and it's here to stay. Distros shipping xserver 1.21 will mostly default to Wayland based desktops, so I (the third most "prolific" xserver developer in 2018 according to the article) think it's natural that the focus of xserver development should shift from Xorg to Xwayland, as is already the case.

[lumks]

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meanwhile I'm using wayland for 1 year nonstop at work and private.

[Raka555]

Meanwhile the Arcan Display Server keeps improving and adding where wayland lacks: https://arcan-fe.com/2018/10/17/arca...eature-parity/

I am holding my breath for Arcan. It is very promising.

[TheOne]

Meanwhile the Arcan Display Server keeps improving and adding where wayland lacks: https://arcan-fe.com/2018/10/17/arca...eature-parity/

[Weasel]

This is a common problem in the open source world. You have far too many people with childish personalities.

Yeah, like the retarded and stubborn Wayland devs. Which is kind of the problem with Wayland.

[oiaohm]

I was kind of amazed how absolute coordinates is something that is not supported. It seems like such a no-brainer. (And it's also one of the reasons why Wine is not supported on Wayland.) If it's things like this that drove Canonical to create Mir, I wish they would have stuck with it.

Garbage about Mir. The Mir protocol is still online if you know where to look it also has no support for absolute coordinates. Mir features of different was shell independent to server and server side window decorations. Current wayland protocol support server side decorations and once it did Canonical gave up on Mir protocol.

Wine virtual desktop can be support under Wayland its just lack of resources to implement that. At the 2017 wine conference applications in wine running on wayland were demonstrated. Finer points of windows management need to be worked out and implemented. So its likely one day wine will be running on wayland just there is no rush.